11/25/98
The transcript of the first 10 or 15 minutes was lost. We were talking about pastors misunderstanding the word of the Lord about children praying. Such a word would mean that the spiritual children should pray, that is, the believers who have Christ formed in them. But in the two cases that I cited, the pastors called physical children to pray.
LivingEM: How do we reconcile the word that the pastor heard "in the spirit"
LivingEM: and the Scripture?
LivingEM: Does anybody know the answer?
Myprecous1: If the two agree
DANIEL42: He did not know the correct interpretation of the scripture?
LivingEM: That is true, but what is the connect to link?
LivingEM: yes, the correct interpretation, or as the Scriptures says, understanding
LivingEM: is the essential factor.
LivingEM: but, then again, there is another, more subtle, factor, and that is
LivingEM: the living word.
LivingEM: when your source of Scripture is the printed word,
LivingEM: whether that word is one of the modern translations,
LivingEM: or the alternate translation,
LivingEM: if that source is outside of you,
LivingEM: if you have to refer to the book,
LivingEM: you are vulnerable to deception.
LivingEM: but if your source of knowledge is the living word,
LivingEM: the very Christ within you,
LivingEM: who is growing up in you like a spiritual plant,
LivingEM: he will explain all things to you.
LivingEM: he will correct your carnal mind.
LivingEM: some of you may have experienced me making a decision and then saying,
LivingEM: now, the Lord said otherwise.
LivingEM: more often than not, whether you admit it to or not,
LivingEM: your carnal mind thinks evil of me in such a situation.
LivingEM: she either believes that I am double minded, or weak,
LivingEM: or biased, all practicing favoritism.
LivingEM: but this is not true.
LivingEM: what had happened is that Christ Jesus has corrected me.
LivingEM: in my case, especially when I am preaching, it is not likely that I am in my carnal mind.
LivingEM: it is much more likely that the young Christ in me is corrected by the Lord Jesus, who is
LivingEM: above.
LivingEM: the head of the carnal mind is the holy spirit.
LivingEM: the head of Christ is the glorified Jesus Christ.
LivingEM: everyone in the flesh had a head covering, or one who covers their head.
LivingEM: the holy spirit is limited as to his ability to cover the carnal mind.
LivingEM: the holy spirit, as far as I know, does not bring a correction to wrong thinking.
LivingEM: the holy spirit will give instructions, and solutions to problems,
LivingEM: but he will not enforce his wisdom.
LivingEM: that means, that the believer must choose to follow his carnal mind
LivingEM: or the suggestion of the holy spirit.
LivingEM: it is a very rare person who follows the holy spirit.
LivingEM: most believers feel comfortable with the thoughts of their carnal mind,
LivingEM: and never even here the other voice.
LivingEM: those of us who study in this ministry know how difficult it is to hear the voice of Christ.
LivingEM: the voice of the holy spirit is even quieter than the voice of Christ.
LivingEM: the believer can pray under the influence of the holy spirit.
LivingEM: I should have said, the carnal mind can pray a righteous prayer under the influence of the
LivingEM: holy spirit.
LivingEM: to review what I have said, the carnal mind can pray righteous prayer when she's under the
LivingEM: influence of the holy spirit,
LivingEM: but when the holy spirit prays, he praised in an unknown language.
LivingEM: the gift of prophecy manifests itself as an influence upon the carnal mind.
LivingEM: the gift of prophecy is a form of prayer.
LivingEM: prayer is communication.
LivingEM: I have heard believers pray "under the anointing."
LivingEM: such a prayer usually proceeds forth rhythmically, and really is
LivingEM: a chant.
LivingEM: the holy spirit has laid hold of this carnal mind,
LivingEM: and is influencing her, firstly, to pray, and secondly,
LivingEM: to pray the thoughts of the holy spirit.
LivingEM: to say that the carnal mind is praying, is not really accurate.
LivingEM: what I have just described, is similar to Balaam's experience.
LivingEM: Num 23:16
LivingEM: And the Lord met Balaam, and put a word in his mouth,
LivingEM: and said, go again to Balak and say thus,
LivingEM: verse 18
LivingEM: God is not a man that he should lie,
LivingEM: neither the son of man that he should repent
LivingEM: hath he said, and shall he not do it,
LivingEM: verse 20
LivingEM: behold i have received a commandment to bless and he hath
LivingEM: blessed, and i cannot reverse it
LivingEM: in other words, Balaam can only speak the words of the Lord.
LivingEM: Balaam is saying that he cannot speak his own mind.
LivingEM: therefore, we conclude that prayer that comes forth under the anointing,
LivingEM: is not the prayer of the carnal mind, but really the prayer of the Holy Spirit manifested
LivingEM: through a man.
LivingEM: now, when Christ prays, it is the man himself praying.
LivingEM: this is because Christ is growing up in, and is a part of, that man.
LivingEM: Christ is the beginning of the new man.
LivingEM: col 3:10
LivingEM: and we have put on the new man,
LivingEM: which is renewed in knowledge after the image of he who created him.
LivingEM: please note, we are renewed in knowledge.
LivingEM: spiritual renewal is not in the laying on of hands.
LivingEM: why does the holy spirit sometimes pray in tongues,
LivingEM: and sometimes choose to influence on man to pray?
LivingEM: does anyone know the answer
LivingEM: a holy spirit does not throw a man into a trance.
LivingEM: it is possible for a spirit to throw man into a deep trance-like hypnotic state,
LivingEM: and cause him to speak in languages that the man does not know,
LivingEM: but this is not an activity of the holy spirit, who is still a seed.
LivingEM: Now, Elohim threw Balaam into a trance.
LivingEM: num 24:4
LivingEM: he hath said which heard the words of God
LivingEM: which saw the vision of the almighty, falling into a trance,
LivingEM: but having his eyes open,
LivingEM: ...
LivingEM: can anyone see the difference between Balaam's experience in
LivingEM: numbers 24 and numbers 24?
LivingEM: 23 and 24?
LivingEM: numbers 23:16
LivingEM: and Jehovah met Balaam and put a word in his mouth,
LivingEM: and said, go again to Balak and say,
LivingEM: ...
LivingEM: the difference is, that in numbers 23 Jehovah's says,
LivingEM: "go and tell Balak."
LivingEM: this means that Balaam is sent to deliver any message,
LivingEM: and that message will come forth under Jehovah's influence.
LivingEM: in other words, Balak had a conscious knowledge of what Jehovah intended to say
LivingEM: through his carnal mind.
LivingEM: but in numbers 24, this is not the case.
LivingEM: first of all, it is not Jehovah in numbers 24 but Elohim.
LivingEM: second of all, Balaam has no foreknowledge of what Elohim intends to say through him,
LivingEM: and most likely has no knowledge of the subject matter.
LivingEM: Balaam's clear mind could not have cooperated with Elohim of in any way,
LivingEM: because she simply was not equipped to do so if.
LivingEM: well, you say, if the heavier anointing, that of a trance, came forth from Elohim,
LivingEM: rather than from Jehovah, this makes no sense at all.
LivingEM: shouldn't the more powerful anointing come forth from Jehovah?
LivingEM: does anyone know the answer?
LivingEM: does anyone know who Elohim is in relation to Jehovah?
Myprecous1: Jesus
LivingEM: Jesus was a man.
LivingEM: Elohim is Jehovah's hand.
LivingEM: does anyone remember where Jehovah puts his hand?
LivingEM: is 11:8
LivingEM: and the suckling child shall play [war games] on the hole of the asp [serpent]
LivingEM: and the weaned child shall put his hand on [cover] the cockatrice's den
LivingEM: Jehovah puts his hand into the serpent's hole,
LivingEM: which is this fallen world.
LivingEM: "the weaned child" is speaking about the ancient of days,
LivingEM: who is Elijah in the old Testament, and the Lord Jesus in the new Testament.
LivingEM: Elohim manifests in a series of expressions of himself [Michael, Elijah, Jesus, sons of God]
LivingEM: each one of which is closer to mortal man.
LivingEM: Jesus Christ is the aspect of Jehovah's hand that will cover the serpents world.
LivingEM: the suckling child is Christ, who is not yet self-sufficient.
LivingEM: Jesus is raising up many children.
LivingEM: what I have just told you is a mystery.
LivingEM: excuse me. i will be right back.
LivingEM: the Scripture, to the best to my knowledge, never names Michael,
LivingEM: Elijah, etc., but uses the name "Elohim" as a generic term which encompasses all of these
LivingEM: aspects of himself.
LivingEM: by now come the you have probably forgotten the point that I in trying to make.
LivingEM: the reason that Elohim brings forth the greater anointing,
LivingEM: the trance state,
LivingEM: is that Elohim is a part of the man.
LivingEM: Elohim is the aspect of Jehovah who dwells in mortal man.
LivingEM: Jehovah will not dwell in mortal man until he is completely purified.
LivingEM: therefore, even though Jehovah is higher than Elohim,
LivingEM: Jehovah merely influences, but Elohim possesses,
LivingEM: because Elohim is joined to the man, and Jehovah is not.
LivingEM: what do I mean by "possess"?
LivingEM: Elohim is another mind.
LivingEM: when Elohim is present in a man, his mind, the mind of Christ, if you will,
LivingEM: possesses that man's carnal mind.
LivingEM: the mind of Christ seizes the carnal mind and possesses it.
LivingEM: we can say, that the Christ mind, in a trance situation, disables the carnal mind.
LivingEM: disconnect it, shuts it down, overshadows it.
LivingEM: the Christ mind in a trance situation, literally lays hold of the man and uses
LivingEM: the spirit of his carnal mind, and physical body for his own purposes.
LivingEM: For all intents and purposes, the carnal mind is dead until the Christ mind releases her.
LivingEM: in the case of the carnal mind being influenced, she is very much away and alive.
LivingEM: awake and alive.
LivingEM: so we see, that prayer which comes forth from the carnal mind under the influence of the
LivingEM: holy spirit can be imperfect prayer.
LivingEM: I myself have experienced the holy spirit praying through me one minute,
LivingEM: and my carnal mind the next minute,
LivingEM: with out even one second's hesitation in the midst.
LivingEM: but when the mature mind of Christ Jesus seizes the carnal mind,
LivingEM: he brings forth a perfect to prayer.
LivingEM: it is this principle that the Scripture talks about
LivingEM: in the old Testament,
LivingEM: where it says that if a prophet makes one mistake,
LivingEM: he should be stoned.
LivingEM: the emphasis does not lie on a human mistake,
LivingEM: but on the fact that if the carnal mind were truly seized,
LivingEM: no mistake would be possible.
LivingEM: mixture is deadly,
LivingEM: unless of course you have a perfect ability to discern the difference between the Spirit of
LivingEM: Christ and the spirit of the world.
LivingEM: therefore, it is possible for a believer to think that they are praying
LivingEM: under the influence of the holy spirit,
LivingEM: and made in fact be praying under the influence of the holy spirit,
LivingEM: when suddenly, with no warning, Satan can pierce through
LivingEM: and contaminate the whole prayer with Satan's spiritual pollution.
LivingEM: prayer is prophecy.
LivingEM: this is just another way of saying that prayer is creative.
LivingEM: prayer, which is focused energy, can change the direction that our life is going in,
LivingEM: and if it is powerful enough,
LivingEM: can build a new path.
LivingEM: prayer controls life situations from a spiritual plane which is higher than the authority of
LivingEM: this world.
LivingEM: prayer controls from an unseen plane.
LivingEM: prayer is a weapon because the changes that it produces
LivingEM: is a accomplished by spiritual power
LivingEM: so, if the spiritual power which serves you, by answering your prayer,
LivingEM: is not Christ Jesus,
LivingEM: you have established an ungodly relationship with a spirit from another kingdom.
LivingEM: and the day will come that that spirit calls in her marker.
LivingEM: therefore, be aware, that you carnal mind desires to serve you,
LivingEM: and to bring you into bondage.
LivingEM: your carnal mind is more than willing to answer the prayers
LivingEM: that the holy spirit is not in agreement with.
LivingEM: the holy spirit is the seet of Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: he does not throw you into a trance.
LivingEM: he works with your carnal mind and tries to influence her,
LivingEM: but your carnal mind has great strength to throw him off.
LivingEM: Al greatest safety is in an understanding of the underlying principles
LivingEM: on how Christ Jesus thinks.
LivingEM: for example, a young man came to me once, saying,
LivingEM: I am on disability.
LivingEM: I intend to take a course of study which is one-year long.
LivingEM: I will support myself with this disability award while I go to
school.
LivingEM: then he came to me again, saying,
LivingEM: I have lost my disability award.
LivingEM: I want you to pray that the operation which I have just had is not successful,
LivingEM: because I need to be on disability for one more year until I complete my course of study.
LivingEM: at the same time and evangelist was in town who had a miracle healing anointing.
LivingEM: he refused to go for prayer because the healing that he needed [the condition was causing
LivingEM: pain in his leg]s],
LivingEM: was less important to him than the finances which would support him while he was in school.
LivingEM: of course, I refuse to pray the requested prayer, and couneled him
LivingEM: counseled him as to the danger that his thinking presented.
LivingEM: he perceived what I had to say as a threat of evil falling upon him
LivingEM: if he didn't try to receive a healing, and broke off our relationship.
LivingEM: I don't know what happened to him.
LivingEM: prayer can also be used to control people.
LivingEM: it is as possible to become dependent on someone's prayer,
LivingEM: as some people become dependent upon astrologers.
LivingEM: brethren, the spiritual world is filled with pitfalls.
LivingEM: to enter therein without the proper training, can be deadly.
LivingEM: but, glory to God, he loves us with an everlasting love, will nurture
LivingEM: us and sustain us until thr coming of the Great God within us,
LivingEM: which in his times he shall shew,
LivingEM: who is the blessed and only potentate,
LivingEM: the king of king and lord of lords, who alone has immortality,
LivingEM: dwelling in the light unto which no man can approach,
LivingEM: who no man has seen or can see,
LivingEM: to whom be power and honor everlasting,
LivingEM: Amen.
LivingEM: 1 tim 6:15-16
LivingEM: Are there any questions or comments?
LivingEM: God bless you all. See you next week.
