06/23/98
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LivingEM: Are there any questions this evening a?
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PSALM 29 2: In regard to what I talked about to you today
DANIEL42: Sue would like you to explain what youy meant by the cross last week not being a Christian s
PSALM 29 2: I had a question about how you know when
PSALM 29 2: the Lord has sent you to someone and when
PSALM 29 2: your carnal mind does. How do you tell the difference? v
LivingEM: across is a barbaric form of execution which was very common at the time of Jesus'
LivingEM: crucifixion
LivingEM: to glorify the cross, is to glorify a means of torture and death
LivingEM: we are not told anywhere in the Scripture to exhalt or acknowledge
LivingEM: the Greek word translated cross, really means a wood stake
LivingEM: with this knowledge in mind, you might notice that many churches that you visit
LivingEM: do not have a cross
LivingEM: the reason why they do not have a cross,
LivingEM: is probably that they have this revelation
LivingEM: the bottom-line is that mortal man is carnal
LivingEM: and carnal men look for objects to idolize
LivingEM: you may recall the brazen serpent that Moses raised up
LivingEM: to save the lives of the Hebrew children became an object of worship
LivingEM: that is, an idol
LivingEM: mortal man is spiritually empty
LivingEM: it is very difficult for him to become spiritual
LivingEM: yet he has infantile spiritual needs
LivingEM: so he frequently false into idolatry
LivingEM: idolatry comes naturally to mortal man, and without
LivingEM: the correct instruction, he does not even realize that he is involved in it
LivingEM: this is why spiritual instruction is so important
LivingEM: nominal Christians either fall into idolatry, or are seduced into unclean spiritual worship
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LivingEM: the church is filled with idolatry, and is close to bankrupt spiritually
LivingEM: the life of Christ is in the spirit
LivingEM: the only signs are the spiritual signs
LivingEM: the mind of Christ
LivingEM: and everything that arises out of him
LivingEM: in the only thing that counts towards eternal life
LivingEM: there is nothing of this world or made from the substances of this world which can propel
LivingEM: us into the eternal world
LivingEM: I turned on the history channel tonight
LivingEM: aIwas surprised to see what, in my opinion, was an occult program
LivingEM: Christianity is being discredited on every side
LivingEM: and the truth of the matter is that this could only be done
LivingEM: because the church is not what they are supposed to be
LivingEM: Christians are supposed to be superior spiritual giants
LivingEM: not only Superior in spiritual strength, but in righteousness,
LivingEM: in morality
LivingEM: Christians are supposed to be the emisaries
LivingEM: of Christ in the Earth, but the church does not look anything like him at all
LivingEM: I saw a pastor on a talk-show today
LivingEM: he was being attacked on every side as a bigot
LivingEM: the issue was that he was opposing the influx of homosexuals into his neighborhood
LivingEM: I perceived faith in the man
LivingEM: but his ability to communicate was very poor
LivingEM: and he caused a community uproar by using some words that he should not have used
LivingEM: and by crossing over issues
LivingEM: and by including issues that should not have been included
LivingEM: but what really discredited him was the truth
LivingEM: the homosexual community in this inner city location
LivingEM: were there because of an offer by the state government
LivingEM: to purchase homes at a very reasonable price
LivingEM: this state's position is that if the inner cities are not re-populated
LivingEM: by working responsible citizens, they will die
LivingEM: the homosexual community move in and started a campaign against
LivingEM: the crack houses and the drug dealers
LivingEM: they brought several lawsuits that helped the neighborhood
LivingEM: they challenged the pastor saying, you are against homosexuals
LivingEM: who are solid citizens, who are cleaning up and renewing the neighborhood
LivingEM: but for years you have tolerated drugs and many other forms of crime
LivingEM: I truly perceived faith in Jesus Christ in this man
LivingEM: but, brethren, Faith alone will not cut it
LivingEM: faith alone never did cut it, but in this hour
LivingEM: as Satan flows in like a flood, untrained, undisciplined Christians will not stand
LivingEM: against the sophistication of the ignorant and those who are spiritual in Satan
LivingEM: to have a spirit of righteousness, but not be able to deal with people
LivingEM: is very close to a waste, in that your spirit of righteousness will be trapped inside
LivingEM: of a mind that does not know how to use it
LivingEM: it might help you personally, should the Lord honor it
LivingEM: but the spirit of righteousness in an untrained, uneducated, undeveloped Christian
LivingEM: can be likened to gold ore. it has no value in it's unrefined state
LivingEM: and a spirit of righteousness that is not flowing with the mind of Christ
LivingEM: because the personality is in agreement with their carnal mind
LivingEM: is buried underneath the Earth
LivingEM: your personality must choose to agree with the mind of Christ
LivingEM: and reject the thoughts and suggestions of the carnal mind
LivingEM: and here is the crux of the message that I have been preaching
LivingEM: for more than ten years
LivingEM: if you cannot tell the difference between your carnal mind and your Christ mind
LivingEM: you are a crippled man
LivingEM: and if you don't have a Godly cover, or if you have a Godly cover
LivingEM: and don't take his advice
LivingEM: you are not likely to learned how to tell the difference
LivingEM: distinguishing between the Christ mind and the carnal mind is more
LivingEM: than spiritual discernment
LivingEM: distinguishing between the Christ mind on the carnal mind requires a knowledge
LivingEM: of how each mind thinks
LivingEM: a knowledge of how the two minds might react in any given situation
LivingEM: A knowledge of what is right and what is wrong in situations that are not obvious
LivingEM: a knowledge of what is right and what is wrong in situations that
the average person may
LivingEM: be confronted with throughout their whole lifetime
LivingEM: this knowledge is called wisdom
LivingEM: there is a wisdom that comes from God
LivingEM: and there is a wisdom that can be found in mortal man
LivingEM: there is a wisdom that comes from experience
LivingEM: there is a wisdom that comes from instruction
LivingEM: the wisdom of God works together with the wisdom of man
LivingEM: because it is very difficult to understand what God says to us
LivingEM: if we have no idea what he is talking about
LivingEM: God talks to us mostly through impressions, or Scriptures,
LivingEM: through memories, through symbols
LivingEM: but we must be familiar with the idea that he is trying to convey
LivingEM: a we will never understand his language
LivingEM: to understand the language of God, we must learn to think
LivingEM: like he thinks
LivingEM: the troubles of mortal man arise frequently because he thinks
LivingEM: that he is serving God, when the truth is that he is perceiving
LivingEM: the situation with his carnal mind, which exists in a completely
LivingEM: different dimension than God exists in
LivingEM: and the thoughts of the carnal mind are the exact opposite of the thoughts of God
LivingEM: this is how Christianity wound up with a translation of the Scripture
LivingEM: that frequently makes Jehovah sound like a blood-thirsty
LivingEM: God
LivingEM: how can you tell the difference between your carnal mind and your Christ mind?
LivingEM: By contrast
LivingEM: since is impossible to comprehend what we cannot even imagine,
LivingEM: which is the righteousness of God
LivingEM: we have no choice but to start with the unrighteousness of mortal man
LivingEM: the recognition and acknowledgement of our own sin nature is the beginning
LivingEM: but how can we recognize our own sin nature
LivingEM: when we cannot recognize the righteousness of God?
LivingEM: There is only one answer that I know of,
LivingEM: and that is to have our mistakes pointed out to us by some who can recognize them
LivingEM: by someone who has received this instruction either from God or from another man
LivingEM: when we translated Genesis 6 [I think it was Genesis 6]
LivingEM: the Lord taught us that both Cain and Abel must be educated
LivingEM: Cain and Abel are our dual conscious mind
LivingEM: they are the mind of the personality
LivingEM: they are a mortal mind
LivingEM: and a mortal mind is a simple mind
LivingEM: pride will reject this truth, but it is, nevertheless, true
LivingEM: mortal man is born with a spiritual mind
LivingEM: this spiritual mind is not the mind of the personality
LivingEM: but the superiority mind of the serpent who incarnated us
LivingEM: superior
LivingEM: We have been calling her the subconscious mind of mortal man
LivingEM: the mind of the serpent is very wise
LivingEM: she is very spiritual
LivingEM: she can do everything that the mind of Christ can do
LivingEM: with one exception
LivingEM: she cannot impart eternal life
LivingEM: everyone that she lives eventually dies
LivingEM: Cain and Abel must be taught to deal with her
LivingEM: they are no match for her
LivingEM: without Christ Jesus she would surely swallow them up
LivingEM: it sounds like a simple thing to train Cain and Abel
LivingEM: but there is a problem
LivingEM: does anybody know what the problem is?
LivingEM: The pride of man
LivingEM: does not want to be taught
LivingEM: the pride of man does not want to admit that he doesn't know
LivingEM: the pride of man wants to be in charge
LivingEM: the pride of man wants authority
LivingEM: the pride of man wants power
LivingEM: the pride of man wants the acceptance of men
LivingEM: Cain and Abel are the two parts of the mortal personality
LivingEM: Jehovah gave Abel authority over Cain because Abel LivingEM: was the spiritual one
LivingEM: any one who has true authority in Christ has it
LivingEM: because they have the spiritual capacity to execute that authority
LivingEM: authority in Christ has nothing to do with how long you have been
in the ministry
LivingEM: it has to do with Jesus Christ's determination that you are spiritually qualified to do
LivingEM: the job
LivingEM: Abel is trained in spiritual matters
LivingEM: Cain is the carnal personality
LivingEM: she is educated in the things of the world
LivingEM: true discipleship in Christ teaches about spiritual principles
LivingEM: discernment, forms of spiritual communication, interpretation of dreams and other
LivingEM: forms of spiritual communications
LivingEM: remember, the cannot understand the communications of God
LivingEM: if we cannot understand how he thinks
LivingEM: Abel is trained in righteousness
LivingEM: Abel is the mind of Christ
LivingEM: the mind of Christ does not arise in a mortal man fully equipped
LivingEM: with all knowledge
LivingEM: he arises fully equipped with the ability to learn all spiritual things
LivingEM: this knowledge is acquired in three stages
LivingEM: instruction
LivingEM: and practice
LivingEM: personal experience
LivingEM: and a Godly critique of one's individual, personal experience
LivingEM: pride will stop you from sharing your experiences with your teacher
LivingEM: if you do not share your experiences, or your ideas with your
teacher
LivingEM: you are depriving yourself of a major part of your education
LivingEM: if you share your experiences and your ideas with your teacher,
LivingEM: but pay little attention to his responses, you are depriving yourself
LivingEM: of God's provision to you
LivingEM: this is the sin of pride
LivingEM: Cain, your personality
LivingEM: must be educated socially
LivingEM: intellectually
LivingEM: she must be taught to communicate properly
LivingEM: to relate to authority properly
LivingEM: to follow orders and rules
LivingEM: it is Cain who is the rebellious one
LivingEM: she must be harnessed
LivingEM: and brought into submission to Abel, who is Christ to her
LivingEM: Cain must be taught how to deal with people
LivingEM: aggressive people
LivingEM: submissive People
LivingEM: honest people
LivingEM: dishonest people
LivingEM: criminal's
LivingEM: con artists
LivingEM: everyday people who move in witchcraft and don't know it
LivingEM: people who look like friends, but are enemies
LivingEM: who sometimes know that they are your enemy
LivingEM: and sometimes do not know that they are your enemy
LivingEM: Cain must bei subected to Abel
LivingEM: and Abel must be subjected to Christ Jesus
LivingEM: who must be subjected to the Lord Jesus Christ
LivingEM: for the full power of the Godhead to flow in your life
LivingEM: this is not easy to accomplish
LivingEM: Satan punishes everyone who tries to accomplish this severely
LivingEM: her punishment can manifest as physical illness
LivingEM: mental illness
LivingEM: depression
LivingEM: Satan's harassment can manifest financially
LivingEM: through car accidents
LivingEM: and other carnal problems
LivingEM: the must learn how to pray
LivingEM: where I was a young Christian I could not understand why the disciples
LivingEM: asked Jesus to teach them how to pray
LivingEM: it is very important that we learn what Christ's response would be in any particular
LivingEM: situation
LivingEM: I have found that the more my ability to perceive Christ's response
in any given situation
LivingEM: increases
LivingEM: the more rapidly my prayers are answered
LivingEM: we must learn how to deal with Satan's harassment of Cain
LivingEM: which is what I was just talking about
LivingEM: but Satan's harassment of Abel is much more evil
LivingEM: if you can understand why I say that
LivingEM: Satan attacks Abel through the carnal mind
LivingEM: through your carnal mind, and other carnal minds
LivingEM: if you cannot recognize the attack, you or at a great disadvantage
LivingEM: our greatest weapon against Satan is the privilege of hiding behind Christ Jesus
LivingEM: to hide behind him you must be able to see him
LivingEM: and to understand his ways
LivingEM: as we acquire this knowledge we can protect ourselves
LivingEM: by submitting to a carnal law, which protects us without understanding why we are doing
LivingEM: what we are doing
LivingEM: the can submit to a God sent teacher, who will explain
LivingEM: his instructions
LivingEM: the law provides safety but will not raise up Christ
LivingEM: in you, but the law is good
LivingEM: submission to a God ordained teacher will raise up Christ in you
LivingEM: there is no easy way to tell the difference between the Christ mind and the carnal mind
LivingEM: those who desire this ability should pray regularly
LivingEM: that the Lord order their steps, completely control their lives
LivingEM: Expose their sin nature
LivingEM: and help them to have a Godly response to the exposure
LivingEM: every decision we make can be questioned
LivingEM: I say "can be" and not "should be" because it is not my intention to put you in bondage
LivingEM: the more I understand how superior the Lords wisdom
LivingEM: is, even to the experiential wisdom that my personality has acquired through experience
LivingEM: the easier is to submit every decision, no matter how trivial,
LivingEM: to the Lord
LivingEM: to one who has no understanding, such a lifestyle sounds like the individual has no
LivingEM: opportunity to think for themselves
LivingEM: but I tell you truly, that this lifestyle, of asking the Lord's opinion and seeking his
LivingEM: for everything
LivingEM: offers a mortal man the opportunity to develop his creativity
LivingEM: and independence to a level that is beyond anything that man could acquire on his own
LivingEM: the experience of communicating with God, and implementing all of his teaching
LivingEM: to determine what he is saying, and to expose
LivingEM: and root out Satan's counsel in the midst
LivingEM: is a very exciting lifestyle
LivingEM: it is the lifestyle of a spiritual man
LivingEM: to live this lifestyle, one is continuously engaged in warfare
LivingEM: with the powers and principalities of this world
LivingEM: Enoch walked with God, and Enoch was not
LivingEM: Enoch was not raptured
LivingEM: we found that recently that Peter did not deny Jesus
LivingEM: Peter denied himself and Christ in Peter arose
LivingEM: to fight with the powers in principalities of this world
LivingEM: on Peter's behalf
LivingEM: the Scripture expresses this truth with the words "and the cock crew"
LivingEM: the male bird, the flying eagle who inhabits the energy center between the eyebrows
LivingEM: rises in us when we deny ourselves
LivingEM: when we deny the authority of carnal mind
LivingEM: to rule over us
LivingEM: to counsel us
LivingEM: to teach us
LivingEM: a good measure of the degree to which we are denying our carnal mind
LivingEM: is the way we relate to other people
LivingEM: if we are trying to rule over them
LivingEM: counsel them
LivingEM: teach them
LivingEM: we know for sure that we have not denied ourselves
LivingEM: to receive the counsel of the carnal mind when Christ is present, is idolatry
LivingEM: is the worship of other gods
LivingEM: the carnal minds of the many are the idols in the heart that the Scripture
LivingEM: speaks about
LivingEM: every time we consult them, in ourselves or in someone else,
LivingEM: honor them
LivingEM: obey them
LivingEM: we "fear" them
LivingEM: the Scripture says we continue to die because we "fear" death
LivingEM: but the "fear" that the Scripture talks about, is not fear as the carnal mind perceivs fear
LivingEM: "fear" in this instance is talking about reverance
LivingEM: we die because we, the personality, choose are carnal mind over our Christ mind continuousl
LivingEM: continuously
LivingEM: to stop doing this requires a warfare that can take a whole lifetime
LivingEM: and of course, this presupposes that you have available to use the
strength Jesus Christ
LivingEM: so we begin the process which "saves" our personality [soul]
LivingEM: by submitting ourselves to the process which exposes
LivingEM: are sin nature
LivingEM: we subject ourselves to the instruction of Christ Jesus
LivingEM: and pray always for the victory over our own carnal mind
LivingEM: knowing that our strong enemy, even more than Satan,
LivingEM: is our own pride
LivingEM: which fights against the process which is designed to set us free
LivingEM: I believe I have answered the two questions which were put me at the beginning of this
LivingEM: message
PSALM 29 2: yes, thank you
LivingEM: are there any areas which anyone would like clarified?
LivingEM: are there any questions of comments?
DANIEL42: not at this time v
LivingEM: I pray that all of the blessings which are in Christ Jesus
LivingEM: should be visited upon you all
LivingEM: I pray that your carnal mind should be defeated
LivingEM: through the life of Christ Jesus
LivingEM: that Christ Jesus in you should be fully educated
LivingEM: in every aspect of the spiritual life and the spiritual worlds,
LivingEM: both of God, and of the serpent
LivingEM: I pray that understanding should be fulfilled in him
LivingEM: and through him
LivingEM: I pray that through righteousness and kindness he should bring Cain into submission
LivingEM: that she should be educated to understand him
LivingEM: to submit to him
LivingEM: to honor him
LivingEM: to hide behind him
LivingEM: I pray that Abel in you all should escape from Satan's grasp
LivingEM: that he should penetrate through her into the heart center which is in God's Kingdom
LivingEM: that Christ Jesus should ascend into the throat and the brow centers
LivingEM: from where he attacks the Kingdom of darkness
LivingEM: which is holding his personality [that's us] captive
LivingEM: that he should boil Satan sea and cook Leviathan
LivingEM: until she separates from the background threads of our spiritual selves
LivingEM: so that Christ Jesus can fully join with you all
LivingEM: in every spiritual molecule of your being
LivingEM: that you may be converted into the image of the great God Jehovah
LivingEM: and abide forever in the light of his glorious Son
LivingEM: God bless you all, and good night
