05/12/98
OnlineHost: *** You are in "Living Epistles". ***
LivingEM: okay, all set
LivingEM: the question was explain spiritual homosexuality
LivingEM: Spirit is male and Earth is female
ToDaNow: Yes ( go ahead)
LivingEM: spiritual earth has consciousness
LivingEM: and is the spiritual woman who rebelled against Adam
LivingEM: the spiritual male
LivingEM: she separated from him and divided herself into male and female
LivingEM: interacted with herself and produced offspring
LivingEM: Cain and Abel
LivingEM: who eventually evolved into present day mortal man
LivingEM: gh
ToDaNow: I understand ( go ahead0
LivingEM: questions?
LivingEM: gh
ToDaNow: so we are this offspring?
ToDaNow: gh
LivingEM: no one?
LivingEM: we'll pray
LivingEM: we should have started the meeting off with prayer anyway
LivingEM: Thank you Father for bring this meeting to pass
LivingEM: we know that everyone who you have ordained to be here is here
LivingEM: teach us Lord
LivingEM: and help us to understand
LivingEM: direct the subject matter
LivingEM: and be glorified in us. amen
LivingEM: There is no woman called Eve
LivingEM: Both the Hebrew and the Greek word translated Eve
DANIEL42: could you explain why some people are homosexual and some are not gh
LivingEM: merely means "life"
LivingEM: The woman shall be called the mother of all living
LivingEM: because consciousness is appearing in the Earth
LivingEM: is now appearing in the Earth
LivingEM: Adam is the male mind
LivingEM: of the female earth
LivingEM: which has been formed into a physical animal
LivingEM: mortal man is a mammal
ToDaNow: so what we see is coming from the spirit world? gh
LivingEM: The Serpent of the Earth is the mind of the mortal animal
LivingEM: therefore mortal man is spiritually homosexual
LivingEM: Adam was resurrected in the man, Jesus,
LivingEM: He said "before Abraham was, I AM"
LivingEM: and now the resurrected Adm in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ is taking
LivingEM: 'the Woman" back from herself
LivingEM: if you can hear it
LivingEM: gh
LivingEM: i was so busy typing i didn't see your questions.
LivingEM: hold on while i check them out
LivingEM: ToDa-yes we are the offspring of the earth
LivingEM: Dan some people are homosexual because
LivingEM: you mean physically homosexual
DANIEL42: yes
LivingEM: this is a curse that comes down on the family line
LivingEM: the whole creation [us] is playing out the Serpent's perverse thoughts
OnlineHost: JSNGSNG has left the room.
ToDaNow: so when the forming of Christ is complete in us, will we be back to the right position
ToDaNow: gh
LivingEM: there is nothing new under sun
LivingEM: ToDa-exactly
LivingEM: not exactly
LivingEM: after Christ is formed in us
LivingEM: He must overcome the Woman who is living through herself
LivingEM: it is in the overcoming that we return to our true state
LivingEM: we must die to this [the serpent's] lifestyle
LivingEM: gh
ToDaNow: which is not easy gh
LivingEM: it is extremely difficuly, and very few find the way, but with
Christ all things are possible
LivingEM: gh
LivingEM: if we don't faint
LivingEM: gh
PSALM 29 2: I have a question about how we pass the Doctrine of Christ
PSALM 29 2: on to others ... if we have to wait
LivingEM: what do you mean, what we see is coming from the spirit world?
PSALM 29 2: until Christ is fully formed in us
PSALM 29 2: It's not as easy as passing out tracts
ToDaNow: I have been blessed my the messages and tapes
LivingEM: we can pass the Doctrine of Christ on before we enter into
perfection
LivingEM: which is sinlessness
LivingEM: which is eternal life
PSALM 29 2: I guess I mean how do we evangelize others
PSALM 29 2: if they aren't at the spiritual level to understand
LivingEM: those who are going on in Christ are not called to evangelize
PSALM 29 2: oh
LivingEM: this truth is found in Isaiah
LivingEM: where we see the call to sonship
LivingEM: our work is rise into Christ Jesus
LivingEM: evangelism is the work of the female church
LivingEM: that is the Bride
PSALM 29 2: I see...
LivingEM: that is, believers who are under the influence of the Holy Ghost
LivingEM: you cannot work to mature Christ if you don't have Christ
ToDaNow: When Christ is form in us, What is next? gh
LivingEM: but once Christ has come, we must labor a spiritual labor to mature Him in ourselves
LivingEM: There is "ministry" along the way, but only as the Lord directs us
ToDaNow: is there a sure sign to look for? gh
LivingEM: pleas hang on ToDa - i'll be right with you
OnlineHost: Myprecous1 has entered the room.
LivingEM: motive is the essential factor in ascending into Christ
LivingEM: our goal is that every motive that arises in us should be Christ
LivingEM: evangelism, or anything else, should only be Christ motivated
LivingEM: the average Christian today, is motivated by his carnal mind
LivingEM: which is self-satisfaction
LivingEM: which is spiritually homosexual at it's root
LivingEM: if you can hear it
ToDaNow: when the process is complete, does the world see the power of God in
us? gh
LivingEM: Yes
LivingEM: we have power now
ToDaNow: which is? gh
LivingEM: and there is evangelism now, but not as the church defines the word
LivingEM: all power and ministry is in the indwelling Christ
LivingEM: rising up and directing us
ToDaNow: thanks gh
LivingEM: speaking through us
LivingEM: our job is to restrain our carnal mind
LivingEM: because Christ will not strive with our carnal mind
LivingEM: we, our personality, manifest whoever we agree with
LivingEM: when we resist the carnal mind, Christ manifests
PSALM 29 2: How will we know when it's the Christ mind we're manifesting and not the carnal mind? gh
LivingEM: that is an excellent question, but first, did i answer you ToDa?
LivingEM: i guess i did, so we'll go on
LivingEM: it is very difficult to recognize when we are manifesting the
Christ mind at the beginning
LivingEM: because Satan exercises a seduction spirit towards us
LivingEM: that lies to us
LivingEM: and tells us that good is evil and evil is good
LivingEM: basically, the only way to tell is by trial and error
LivingEM: through continuous communication with the Lord
LivingEM: asking Him, if that was our carnal mind, or if that was Him
LivingEM: i am convinced that with all of my experience
PSALM 29 2: I think I have a problem hearing His voice
LivingEM: without the Lord Jesus
ToDaNow: when Christ is forming within us, does it affect others around us?
gh
LivingEM: i can be deceived by the voice of the carnal mind
LivingEM: most definitely
LivingEM: and the more they are given over to the evil side of their carnal mind, the more violent the
LivingEM: their reaction
LivingEM: many who are living out of the good side of their carnla mind are not offended
LivingEM: but some are
ToDaNow: hum
LivingEM: i pray always that i should manifest Christ in all things
ToDaNow: amen
LivingEM: and then i ask the Lord if i have in each situation
PSALM 29 2: How do we hear His voice? gh
LivingEM: Their is a piercing through
LivingEM: after which hearing His voice becomes much easier
LivingEM: we hear his voice in many ways, the least reliable of which is an audible voice
LivingEM: Satan speaks English very well
PSALM 29 2: Sometimes I pray and ask questions, but it's just as
PSALM 29 2: easy to put my own answer in,
PSALM 29 2: you know, what I want to hear. gh
LivingEM: Yes, the carnal mind frequently answers our questions
PSALM 29 2: So, it's faith in Jesus
LivingEM: The Lord can speak through Scripture
LivingEM: He can speak through a "knowing"
PSALM 29 2: to believe He's answering
LivingEM: Yes, but you must test every answer
LivingEM: You can ask for as many witnesses as you want
LivingEM: there is a stage that we go through where it is acceptable to pray
PSALM 29 2: I was taught not to put out fleeces
LivingEM: "Lord open every door you want me to go through
LivingEM: and close every door you don't want me to walk through"
PSALM 29 2: is that the same as having two or three witnesses?
LivingEM: but as we mature, that kind of prayer loses its power
PSALM 29 2: I see
ToDaNow: which prayer should be use? gh
LivingEM: because the Lord expects us to learn from our experiences -- which we should always as Him t
LivingEM: to comment on [He may comment through another believer or teacher]
PSALM 29 2: thank you
LivingEM: i don't see anything wrong with a fleece if its set forth properly
LivingEM: ToDa- depends on how mature you are
LivingEM: it's okay to pray, Lord open and close doors
LivingEM: so long as He is honoring this prayer
ToDaNow: thanks gh
LivingEM: but when you recognize that this prayer isn't working any more
LivingEM: it means the Lord thinks you are grown up enough to make your own
decision
LivingEM: then, after you make your decision,
LivingEM: He will deal with you if you made a mistake
LivingEM: or He might correct you before you make the mistake
LivingEM: this is how i pray
LivingEM: i evaluate the situation to the best of my own ability
LivingEM: looking at all of the facts and all of the options
LivingEM: and praying of course
LivingEM: then, if i haven't heard from the Lord
LivingEM: i make my "educated" decision, saying Lord
LivingEM: this is what i have decided to do, and if you don't turn me around, i will do it
LivingEM: please keep me from deception and error
LivingEM: so, now, Lord, that i have done all that i am able
LivingEM: and have thrown myself on your mercy, doing the best that i can
LivingEM: it is your responsibility to help me to hear your correction
LivingEM: which i am humbly praying for
LivingEM: should i be in error
LivingEM: gh
PSALM 29 2: that's a wonderful prayer
ToDaNow: i am signing off now, I am going to work. Talk to you tomorrow at
1pm if you are there.
LivingEM: The Lord taught me to pray that way
LivingEM: Just as it takes a human child time to grow up
LivingEM: -- some children mature faster than others --
LivingEM: it takes time to grow up in Christ
LivingEM: You can only so so fast, Psals292
LAMB4114: Bye ToDaNow
PSALM 29 2: Thanks for reminding me....
PSALM 29 2: I do want to get it all in as fast as I can
PSALM 29 2: esp. with only an hour or two each day
LivingEM: I know, I'm the same way
PSALM 29 2: and children to raise
PSALM 29 2: Can I ask another question?
OnlineHost: ToDaNow has left the room.
LivingEM: This walk is very difficult when you have small children, but
everything is possible in Christ
PSALM 29 2: I don't want to "hog" the floor if there's anyone else with questions
DANIEL42: Sue wants to know why the immortals did not fall all the way down?
LAMB4114: Is a fast dream acceptable here?
LivingEM: Mary, thanks for saying "bye"
ToDaNow, i didn't see that he was leaving until
LivingEM: it ws too late to say goodbye
LivingEM: It is my understanding at the present time
LivingEM: that the immortals fell as far as they could
LivingEM: and that this flesh condition is not a part of the fall
Myprecous1: HI EVERYONE
LivingEM: hi
PSALM 29 2: Hi Myprecous
DANIEL42: hi
LAMB4114: Hi Myprecous
LivingEM: but a condition contrived by the immortals
LivingEM: themselves who are feeding off of us
LivingEM: in other words
LivingEM: we are the emotional animal, the ox, that Adam formed at the beginning
LivingEM: the immortals are Elohim's sons who fell and turned evil
LivingEM: and are now abusing the ox that Adam made
LivingEM: using her for their own purposes
LivingEM: sensual experiences, etc
LivingEM: gh
DANIEL42: why are we different?
DANIEL42: gh
LivingEM: different than whom?
DANIEL42: the immortals
LivingEM: We are the ox, they are the fallen sons of Elohim
DANIEL42: what's the difference?
LivingEM: The ox is of the earth
LivingEM: Elohim's sons are Spirit
LivingEM: the ox is spiritually female
LivingEM: Elohim's sons, being spirit are male, but being overcome by the serpent's nature
LivingEM: have become spiritually female
LivingEM: not only the serpent's nature, but the serpent herself
LivingEM: gh
DANIEL42: why did they come out spirit and we come out earth?
LivingEM: In the beginning there was spirit and earth
LivingEM: gh
LivingEM: if there are no other questions on this subject, mary has a dream
LivingEM: are you okay Daniel?
LAMB4114: My dream was of what I perceived to be a nose and at the bottom was about six little black bugs
LivingEM: i don't think you understand
DANIEL42: yes, fine
LAMB4114: bugs.
LivingEM: okay, Lamb
LivingEM: at the bottom of the nose?
LAMB4114: yes
LivingEM: do you mean by the nostrils?
LAMB4114: It was like a cavity in the nose.
LivingEM: where in relation to the nostrils?
LAMB4114: within
LivingEM: the nostrils refer to spirit
LivingEM: there really is no Hebrew word for nose
LAMB4114: I thought discernment
LivingEM: the word that expresses "nose" is a word that speaks about heavy breathing
LivingEM: it usually signifies anger
LivingEM: the heat of anger
LivingEM: i can see where you think "discernment" with regard to the idiom of our present day English
LAMB4114: interesting
LivingEM: Nose, nosey, etc
LivingEM: and, its your dream, so that may be the case
LAMB4114: It was a definite irritation
LivingEM: by Scripturally speaking, the nose means spiritual anger, rage
LivingEM: and pestilence means witchcraft
LivingEM: plagues
LivingEM: etc
LAMB4114: gh
LivingEM: so, such a dream could mean curses from witchcraft
LivingEM: or, it could mean Satanic judgment
LivingEM: plagues, etc
LivingEM: did you have this dream recently?
LAMB4114: In the natural even as I sit here, I feel an irritation in my nose
LAMB4114: Not just now either. I thought allergy.
LAMB4114: Last night.
LivingEM: well, it could be signifying the curses flying here
LivingEM: i'm still having heart palpitations
LivingEM: as a matter of fact, they had completely cleared up, but started again during this session
LAMB4114: gh
LivingEM: i was cursed by a witch once
LivingEM: i was with my pastor in a spiritual meeting in a high wichcraft area
LivingEM: and i saw someone throw in curses right at my pastor
LivingEM: they weren't even hiding it
LivingEM: and i prayed against them. they couldn't see me
LivingEM: but they must have known it was me, because as i walked past him to go to the ladies room
LivingEM: he grabbed my arm and with his finger, sliced my life line
LivingEM: i was terrified
LivingEM: cried all the way home
LivingEM: but finally, strength was imparted to me
LivingEM: and i prayed,, Lord, if you let him kill me, i'm dead
LivingEM: and i'm not going to worry about it any more
LivingEM: i broke all the curses, and prayed extensive warfare
LivingEM: at the next service i told my pastor, and the whole church prayed
LivingEM: guess what? i didn't die
PSALM 29 2: praise the Lord!!
DANIEL42: PTL
LivingEM: and not only that, but i saw the witch 3 y4ars later
LivingEM: praising the Lord at a meeting in Brooklyn
Myprecous1: thank God
LivingEM: Yes, God is good. gh
PSALM 29 2: Are the spiritual warfare prayers that
PSALM 29 2: the church prays
PSALM 29 2: different from what a person
PSALM 29 2: who has Christ forming in them prays?
PSALM 29 2: gh
LivingEM: no
LivingEM: but there is more power in numbers
PSALM 29 2: must we pray out loud to be effective
PSALM 29 2: gh
LivingEM: The stronger you are, the less the necessity to pray out loud
LivingEM: gh
PSALM 29 2: Many of my Christian friends
PSALM 29 2: say to pray out loud
PSALM 29 2: because Satan can't read your mind
PSALM 29 2: gh
LivingEM: Satan can read your mind, because Satan in the unconscious mind of mortal man
LivingEM: She is right there the whole time
PSALM 29 2: i understand, just wanted to confirm
LAMB4114: M and thoughts of the baby just popped into my mind
LivingEM: I don't think the Lord is leading us away from spiritual things at this time
LAMB4114: ok
LivingEM: but....
LivingEM: you could have tapped into Lamb's mind
LivingEM: thinking about her baby
LivingEM: Psalms, you must deal with the possibility that there is some fear
manifesting in you
PSALM 29 2: fear of my husband right now
LivingEM: i think most people experience fear when they first come into this
kind of spiritual warfare
LivingEM: do you mean at this exact moment?
PSALM 29 2: no
LivingEM: fear in what context?
PSALM 29 2: that his pressure will lead me away from the message
LivingEM: Fear is the opposite of faith
PSALM 29 2: right
LivingEM: and should be resisted at all costs
PSALM 29 2: easier said than done...
PSALM 29 2: but i'm trying
LivingEM: You do have a war on your hands, but every married person does
LivingEM: you can do all things in Christ
PSALM 29 2: yes
PSALM 29 2: thanks
LivingEM: And there is no ascension without something to overcome
PSALM 29 2: i know
LivingEM: it is unfortunate that it usually is one's mate
LivingEM: That's why Jesus says, count the cost
LivingEM: Is your fear because of his strong mind?
PSALM 29 2: i want to go all the way
PSALM 29 2: no, his drawing away from me
LivingEM: you fear you won't be able to tolerate his coldness?
PSALM 29 2: like i'm in a cult or something
LivingEM: his disapproval?
PSALM 29 2: yes
LivingEM: This is very difficult, but the challenge will teach you to not be controlled by anyone's ap
LivingEM: approval or disapproval
LivingEM: We cannot yield to pain or pleasure
PSALM 29 2: it is most definitely a challenge
LivingEM: but only to the instruction of Christ
PSALM 29 2: amen
LivingEM: All pain and pleasure is in the emotions
LivingEM: we must live out of Christ
LivingEM: gh
PSALM 29 2: thank you
DANIEL42: how do you deal with the emotions?
LivingEM: You will have whatever you truly choose, Psalms
LivingEM: Only Jesus knows your heart
LivingEM: I hope it doesn't happen, but if you had to choose between your husband and Jesus
PSALM 29 2: don't stop praying for me
LivingEM: Jesus know who you will choose
LivingEM: and if the truth is that you would choose Jesus, you will prevail
LivingEM: over everything tht Satan throws at you
LivingEM: and in addition
LivingEM: i can't promise you any thing
LivingEM: but you will have reason to hope that your husband will be blessed also
LivingEM: gh
PSALM 29 2: i pray for that too
PSALM 29 2: gh
DANIEL42: Sue asks, do we have anything to do with standing up or is it God's timeline?
PSALM 29 2: i have to go, i'm making a racket on the keyboard and hubby is
trying to sleep
PSALM 29 2: goodnight all
LivingEM: We have everything to do with standing up
DANIEL42: good night rose love ya
LivingEM: God bless you Psalms
LivingEM: Goodnight
LAMB4114: God Bless you Psalms
PSALM 29 2: thanks
OnlineHost: PSALM 29 2 has left the room.
LivingEM: This principle is evident in Fishing for Leviathan
Myprecous1: GOOD Night Psalms
LivingEM: Where Peter, after realizing that the Lord has spoken to him,
LivingEM: dives into the water
LivingEM: which really means, he went to war with Satan, the sea
LivingEM: only those who overcome will inherit eternal life
LivingEM: the issue is this
LivingEM: only Jesus truly knows our heart
LivingEM: if we truly want to overcome and are willing to try as hard as we can
LivingEM: He will carry us the rest of the way
LivingEM: but if we are fooling ourselves, saying we want to
LivingEM: go on, but not willing to pay the price, will not overcome
LivingEM: it's the same principle as the widow woman who put in her 2 mites
LivingEM: what is a small effort to one person, is a great effort to another
LivingEM: Overcoming requires our very best, whatever that is to us
LivingEM: Our best plus Jesus=victory
LivingEM: gh
DANIEL42: thanks
LivingEM: S, are you finding things very hard these days?
LivingEM: I remember you telling me at one time, that after listening to the tapes
DANIEL42: S says she is fine except for her son
LivingEM: you felt that this walk was too hard
LivingEM: is he out of rehab?
DANIEL42: he only stayed two days and left, drinking again
DANIEL42: gh
LivingEM: Any kind of grief is in the carnal mind
LivingEM: if satan can keep us in grief, she keeps us in the carnal mind
LivingEM: remember that David's longing for Absalom ultimately destroyed him
LivingEM: if we can help our children, it's one thing
LivingEM: but in a situation like this the best thing you can do is serve
God, and let him work out hi
LivingEM: his own problems
LivingEM: gh
DANIEL42: how would you deal with those emotions? gh
LivingEM: Grief?
LivingEM: which emotions?
DANIEL42: she feels sad that he is wasting his life
LivingEM: You have to look away, S. It's his life
LivingEM: You must take your eyes off of Jesus to feel sad about anything
LivingEM: and this is the sin of pride
LivingEM: you need to repent
DANIEL42: S says OK
LivingEM: Praise the Lord!!
LivingEM: gh
LivingEM: i didn't answer you question as to how to deal with those feelings
LivingEM: it's no so easy to look away
LivingEM: you must enter into active warfare, by rebuking these thoughts whenever them come into your
LivingEM: mind
LivingEM: say, i give him to Jesus, i must go on with the work He has given me
LivingEM: and drive those thoughts from your mind
LivingEM: this is the overcoming of the carnal mind
DANIEL42: Sue says she will do her best
LivingEM: good. gh
DANIEL42: Our best plus Jesus is great. I want to remember that. gh
LivingEM: amen
LivingEM: i perceive a bit of a depression here, does anyone have a
spiritual question?
LAMB4114: no
Myprecous1: i am just taking it all in
LivingEM: Why don't we pray about the publishing of the Alternate Translation
LAMB4114: ok
LivingEM: Father, we glorify your Name, Lord
Myprecous1: ok
LivingEM: We thank you for this great opportunity
LivingEM: but sincerely pray that if it is false
LivingEM: if it is a wolf in sheep's clothing
LivingEM: that you save me from deception and destruction
LivingEM: Help me to make the correct decisions, Lord
LivingEM: Help me to see with your eyes and hear with your ears
LivingEM: Deliver me from spiritual blindness
LivingEM: And every snare of Satan
LivingEM: Be glorified in this Word, Lord
LivingEM: And, whether this offer be true or not, help me to to the work
LivingEM: to find the time
LivingEM: to do the work
LivingEM: Thank you Lord for the privilege of bringing this Word forth
LivingEM: Keep it from the hands of unscrupulous men
LivingEM: Keep it unspotted and uncompromised
LivingEM: May I be strong in wisdom and knowledge and understanding
LivingEM: to do your will in this matter
LivingEM: and not stumble because of any weakness in myself
LivingEM: Confirm to me please my choice of an attorney
LivingEM: And may your wisdom rest upon him in this matter, as well as other
LivingEM: Lord, I'm a babe in the woods without you
LivingEM: In you I stand or fall
LivingEM: May my integrity be built as a result of this offer, and not torn down
LivingEM: May my relationship with you be strengthened as a result of this offer
LivingEM: and not torn down
LivingEM: May Christ increase as a result of this offer, and not decrease
LivingEM: May this Word feed the many, Lord, in your timing
LivingEM: and by your design
LivingEM: I don't know how else to pray Lord
LivingEM: So I now go forth to do thy will oh, God
LivingEM: to the best of my ability
LivingEM: Guide me
LivingEM: and help me
LivingEM: and give me the victory over every enemy
LivingEM: who would cause me to stray from you
LivingEM: or from the task that you have set before me
LivingEM: Let me be able to say to you, Lord,
LivingEM: I have done as you have commanded me
LivingEM: That you might say to me
LivingEM: Well done, my good and faithful servant
LivingEM: Amen and amen
DANIEL42: amen
LAMB4114: amen
Myprecous1: Praise God
LivingEM: God bless you all
LivingEM: Does anyone have anything to say before we depart?
DANIEL42: thanks, God bless you too
LivingEM: Good night all
Myprecous1: o k
DANIEL42: good night from a and s
LAMB4114: Goodnight. God bless you all. See to tomorrow.
LivingEM: Myprecous, Lamb- see you tomorrow morning
Myprecous1: ok
