08/12/98
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LivingEM: Praise the Lord!
LivingEM: We have finished our study in Revelation, Chapter 12.
LivingEM: The floor is open the questions on any subject.
PSALM 29 2: I have one, but if anybody else does, I'd like them to feel free
LivingEM: I don't have any leading for amessage today, which means
LivingEM: that the leading while most likely, from the congregation.
LivingEM: Go-ahead Psalm 29:2
PSALM 29 2: Thank you. My question is, with the holiday season coming
PSALM 29 2: and having the revelation that Christmas is not about a celebration
PSALM 29 2: of the birth of the Lord
PSALM 29 2: how does one "keep the peace" in the family
PSALM 29 2: while holding onto the precious doctrine and not forcing it upon
OnlineHost: JSNGSNG has entered the room.
PSALM 29 2: other family members?
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LivingEM: I'm thinking about where to start.
LivingEM: First of all, it is a serious problem when one member of the family
LivingEM: has the revelation that Christmas does not represent the birth of Christ,
LivingEM: and the reason it is such a big problem, is that the issue is not intellectual, but spiritu
LivingEM: For me to continue intelligently, I have to ask you if you know what holiday
LivingEM: is actually being celebrated on December 25th.
LivingEM: Do know Psalm 29 2?
PSALM 29 2: a pagan holiday worshipping the Sun God
LivingEM: yes, this is true. It is the birthday of Tammuz.
LivingEM: So, if you have not found out already, you will find out as soon as you take your stand
LivingEM: that you'll not celebrate a pagan holiday,
LivingEM: your whole world is likely to rise up against you.
LivingEM: People who don't even celebrate Christmas will rebuke you,
LivingEM: but especially "practicing" Christians, will be enraged.
LivingEM: You will be accused of associated yourself with a cult,
LivingEM: and "faithful" Christians will pray for you, Catholics will light candles for you,
LivingEM: and the spiritual warfare will rage on.
LivingEM: Christmas is one of the biggest challenges
LivingEM: and requires one of the greatest spiritual wars I have ever seen,
LivingEM: since I am in the Church.
LivingEM: I do not know of any way that you can refuse to engage in this pagan practice "peacefully"
LivingEM: It is a war of wars.
LivingEM: All I can do is to counsel you not to begin something that you are not prepared to finish,
LivingEM: and to count the cost before you start.
PSALM 29 2: May I comment?
LivingEM: The worst thing that you can do is to take your stand,
LivingEM: and then change your mind.
LivingEM: Go-ahead
PSALM 29 2: Most of my family that we "celebrate" Christmas with are not
PSALM 29 2: Christians, but just doing the "holiday thing" because
PSALM 29 2: it is a tradition. If this is the case and the birth of the Lord
PSALM 29 2: is not being celebrated, how can I translate
PSALM 29 2: or I should say, can it be taken as a time to
PSALM 29 2: get together with family?
LivingEM: The floor is open for anyone who would like to answer this question.
Myprecous1: Ihave to say there can be no compremise
LivingEM: Anybody else?
JSNGSNG: It is just an excuse to celebrate Christmas
Myprecous1: for it is one of the fiersed battles i 'e ever accounted
JSNGSNG: It has not stopped yet
LivingEM: The battle is just as fierce among those who "just keep the traditions,"
JSNGSNG: Every year I have to go through the same battle but it gets easier when you take the stand i
JSNGSNG: immediately
LivingEM: as it is amongst the "religious crowd."
LivingEM: There are two aspects to your question Psalm,
LivingEM: The first one is, how do you make your position acceptable to the members of your family.
LivingEM: And the second is, is it all right for you to celebrate Christmas,
LivingEM: if you admit that it is not Christ's birthday.
LivingEM: The answer to the first question is, I would be shocked if you found a
LivingEM: "peaceful" way to help your family accept the fact
LivingEM: that you no longer celebrate Christmas.
LivingEM: The answer to the second question, is that there is no compromise.
LivingEM: Gathering together with family members on December 25th,
LivingEM: and declaring that this is just a "family gathering,"
LivingEM: is a deception.
LivingEM: It cannot be done, because the spirit of Christmas declares the day
LivingEM: to be a pagan holiday.
LivingEM: I remember celebrating May Day when I was a child.
LivingEM: I was one of the children who "wound" the ribbons around the May Pole.
LivingEM: but as soon as Russia declared May 1 to be their national day,
LivingEM: the schools and other institutions in the United States stopped
celebrating
LivingEM: May Day.
LivingEM: You probably never heard of it.
PSALM 29 2: no
LivingEM: The Spirit of Christmas is one of Satan's most powerful expressions.
LivingEM: Everyone except those who know the truth, and take a stand for it, celebrates Christmas.
LivingEM: The pagans celebrate Christmas,
LivingEM: the heathens celebrate Christmas,
LivingEM: agnostics celebrate Christmas,
LivingEM: i know taoists who celebrate Christmas
LivingEM: Christmas is a festival that is resisted only by those
LivingEM: who are willing to take a stand against it.
LivingEM: This festival is a spiritual seduction of the highest order.
LivingEM: I believe that I can honestly tell you that witches celebrate Christmas,
LivingEM: although they know the true meaning of the holiday.
LivingEM: They call it the winter stolstice.
LivingEM: Now, with of categories aforenamed celebrating Christmas,
LivingEM: the Spirit of Christmas is exhalted, and stirred up in all of these individuals.
LivingEM: And the Spirit of Christmas from all of these rivers ascends into the heaven ways
LivingEM: heavenlies
LivingEM: where they are gathered into one cloud of witnesses
LivingEM: who are exhalting Satan, whether they know it are not.
LivingEM: The reason that they are exhalting Satan, is that Christ would never
LivingEM: acknowledge this day as anything other than, " another day."
LivingEM: And therefore it must be the carnal minds of the people engaging
LivingEM: in whatever fellowship is taking place.
LivingEM: The believer who is convinced that they are not denying Christ
LivingEM: by gathering together with other people in a festive spirit,
LivingEM: Whatever name they may give them festive spirit,
LivingEM: is deceived.
LivingEM: Jesus said if you are not for me, you are against me.
LivingEM: This means, that either you are manifesting Christ,
LivingEM: or the carnal mind. It must be one way or the other.
LivingEM: We cannot engage in activities that Christ would not engage in without realizing
PSALM 29 2: thank you
LivingEM: that we can only do this with our carnal mind.
LivingEM: Is there any other question that I can answer for you?
PSALM 29 2: Well, I'm just amazed that there is not one person
PSALM 29 2: in the church that hasn't received this message in 2000 years
PSALM 29 2: and preached it
PSALM 29 2: that Christmas has survived that long
PSALM 29 2: it's pretty easy to research
LivingEM: There are those who have received his message, and have preached it.
PSALM 29 2: why wouldn't someone want the truth to be known?
PSALM 29 2: oh
LivingEM: And those who have preached it have lost from 1/2 to all of their congregation.
LivingEM: John answered your question.
LivingEM: They don't want to truth, because there deeds are evil.
LivingEM: They love their traditions more than they love the truth
PSALM 29 2: i see
LivingEM: They want to appear righteous before men,
PSALM 29 2: spiritual blindness and deafness?
LivingEM: without paying the price that it takes to have a true relationship with the Lord.
LivingEM: No, they are not blind and deaf.
LivingEM: They simply want to do what pleases them, even
LivingEM: when the Lord says that he hates it.
LivingEM: And the reason is this,
LivingEM: They want to feel good, and the Word of God does not make them feel good enough
LivingEM: to give up their worldly pleasures.
LivingEM: The Word Of God makes our spirit feel good,
LivingEM: but leaves our emotions unsatisfied.
LivingEM: So there is a wilderness experience that can go on four years,
LivingEM: for years
LivingEM: during which those who go on with God can experience much emotional pain.
LivingEM: Our goal is to transfer over from experiencing most of our
satisfaction
LivingEM: in our flesh and emotions,
LivingEM: to experiencing the large part of our satisfaction
LivingEM: from the Word of God,
LivingEM: and from our personal relationship with Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: But the satisfaction that arises out of the Kingdom of God is an
LivingEM: "acquired taste."
LivingEM: It must be developed, and in order for it to develop,
LivingEM: we must stop engaging in the activities that Satan provides to satisfy us.
LivingEM: So, there is a period of fasting,
LivingEM: a period During which we give up certain activities of this world,
LivingEM: some of which are spiritually unclean, such as Christmas,
LivingEM: and others which are acceptable to God for the time that we are in this fallen condition.
LivingEM: The give up the unclean activities as part of the program to purify ourselves
LivingEM: and we give up, as the Lord leads us, "harmless"
LivingEM: activities which swallow our limited time to study
LivingEM: and fellowship with the Lord.
LivingEM: We are on a long journey, which is painful at times.
LivingEM: Many times it is sweet when we first taste it,
LivingEM: but bitter when we experience the effect of it upon our carnal mind.
LivingEM: Unfortunately, the Church is severely uneducated.
LivingEM: The Christian walk is a sacrificial, difficult walk,
LivingEM: as far as our carnal mind is concerned,
LivingEM: and a glorious adventure as far as our Christ mind is concerned.
LivingEM: We are a divided people, and we are our own worst enemy.
LivingEM: We are divided within ourselves.
LivingEM: We are war continually.
LivingEM: Jesus clearly said that families would be divided.
LivingEM: The Church today is not lining up with the Scripture.
LivingEM: Proper preparation enables us to enjoy the blessings which are in Christ,
LivingEM: while dealing righteously with the problems of the carnal mind,
LivingEM: both our own, and those of our friends and relatives.
LivingEM: Our there any other questions?
PSALM 29 2: none from me, thank you for your answer
LivingEM: you are welcome.
LivingEM: Anyone else?
LivingEM: We will wait a few minutes. If the Lord does not give me
LivingEM: another lead, we will consider this a short session.
LivingEM: We have been talking for one hour at this point.
LivingEM: Let's pray before we close
LivingEM: Father, in the name of Jesus, we thank you for your Son.
LivingEM: We thank you for your intervention in our day-to-day lives, and for your protection of our
LivingEM: families.
LivingEM: We thank you for wisdom and knowledge and victory over the enemy of our souls.
LivingEM: If this one-hour message is all that you have for us today, we thank you for it,
LivingEM: and acknowledge that most ministries don't even have this much.
LivingEM: God bless you all. See you next week.
