08/30/00
Scriptures Commented On (In Order Of Appearance):
Alternate Translations: Gen. 22:17, 32:12, 15:6
Gen. 32:12, Gen. 22:17, Dan. 12:1, Gen. 36:15-19, Isa. 10:22, Hos. 1:10, Jer. 33:22, Rom. 9:27, Rev. 11:1
<LivingEM> Praise the Lord everyone. Are there any comments or questions?
Abraham's Seed
As The Sands Of The Sea???
<OVERCOMER> The Scriptures say that Abraham's seed will be as the sands of the seashore and go on forever. I thought this must mean, somehow, Abraham would live forever. But seeing that he must marry Michael and he didn't, and his personality did not go on because of it, what does this phrase mean?
Gen. 32:12, And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)
<LivingEM> I don't know of any Scripture that says the sands of the seashore will go on forever.
Gen.32:12 is Jacob's prayer, asking Jehovah to fulfill His promise. Here is what Jehovah said to Abraham.
Gen. 22:17, That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; (KJV)
<LivingEM> Jehovah said, I will bless and multiply your seed, and your seed shall be above (upon) the sea shore.
Can anyone tell us the spiritual significance of the sea shore?
<LAMB> Satan's borders or gate?
<Jsngsng> It is the separation of the right heart (4th) energy center from the left heart (4th) energy center.
<LivingEM> Yes,
The shore of the sea is the border, or the edge of the sea.
The sea signifies Satan, and the edge of the sea, where it meets the dry sand, is the sea shore.
Jehovah said that Abraham's seed would be above, or would have authority over, the border of the sea, the border that separates the left and the right side of the heart (4th) energy center.
So we see that Jehovah promised Abraham's seed dominion over Satan. Jehovah also promised that Abraham's seed would possess the gate of his enemy.
I should have asked you earlier, and I hope that everyone knows, since it was the topic of last week's message.
Who is the seed of Abraham?
<DANIEL42> Christ Jesus.
<LAMB> Christ.
<IsaiahSixty1> Christ Jesus is the seed.
<Jsngsng> Isaac?
Gal 3:16, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (KJV)
<LivingEM> Christ is Abraham's seed.
So Jehovah promised Abraham that Christ would possess the gate of His enemies.
Who is the enemy of Christ?
<Myprecous1> Satan who stands opposite Christ to oppose him?
<DANIEL42> Leviathan.
<Jsngsng> Leviathan.
<IsaiahSixty1> Leviathan.
<LivingEM> Yes, Satan and Leviathan are the enemies of Christ.
Who is the gate that Satan and Leviathan enter in through?
<LAMB> Cain.
<DANIEL42> Cain.
<Jsngsng> Fiery Serpent.
<LivingEM> Yes, Cain is the gate that Satan and Leviathan enter in through.
Can anyone restate this revelation using the symbols just revealed?
Abraham's seed will possess the gate of his enemies. Replace the words seed, gate and enemies with their esoteric meanings.
<DANIEL42> Seed=Christ gate=Cain enemies=Leviathan and Satan
<Jsngsng> Christ, Cain, Satan & Leviathan.
<LivingEM> That's the idea Daniel.
Now, can anyone restate the whole sentence using the symbols.
<LAMB> We will be the head and not the tail. Christ will have authority over Satan.
<DANIEL42> Christ, Abraham's seed, will dominate Cain, the gate of Leviathan and Satan.
<LivingEM> Lamb, I asked you to restate the sentence, but you interpreted the sentence.
Daniel restated the sentence replacing symbols with their true meaning. Is there anyone who does not understand what it means to restate the sentence?
Would everybody please respond?
<Jsngsng> No.
<DANIEL42> I understand.
<LAMB> To put it in another way.
<IsaiahSixty1> I understand.
<Myprecous1> I do.
<OVERCOMER> I do.
<Jsngsng> I understand.
<LivingEM> To put it another way is not an answer Lamb. Look at all the responses, they are either, I understand, or I do not understand.
<LAMB> I did not understand?
<LivingEM> Jsngsng, and Lamb, please say, whether or not you understand.
<LAMB> I do not understand, I guess.
<LivingEM> I need to know if you all understand, so that I can help those of you who do not.
In the past, I have thought that some of you understood what I was teaching when you did not, so I now require a sure answer from all of you.
Pride suggests that you understand when you do not, but how can you learn if the teacher is deceived about what you do and do not know?
Let's try another one.
The lad had wine in his cup.
Lad, wine and cup all have spiritual significance.
<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us what wine signifies?
<DANIEL42> Spiritual blood.
<IsaiahSixty1> Holy Spirit.
<LivingEM> Yes, but whose spiritual blood?
<DANIEL42> Christ Jesus.
<LivingEM> And the name of Jesus' spiritual blood is? The Spirit of ???
<DANIEL42> Christ.
<Jsngsng> Christ
<IsaiahSixty1> Christ.
<LivingEM> Yes,
Wine signifies the Spirit of Christ.
Does anyone know what the cup signifies?
<DANIEL42> Spiritual body.
<IsaiahSixty1> Personality.
<Jsngsng> A vessel - body.
<LivingEM> Yes, and what is the name of the body that holds the Spirit?
The mind is the cup that holds the wine of the Spirit.
I don't think any of you know what lad signifies, but I will give you the opportunity to respond.
Does anyone know what lad signifies?
<LAMB> Young Christ?
<LivingEM> Yes, the young Christ.
<IsaiahSixty1> Young Christ.
<OVERCOMER> A young son?
<DANIEL42> Young believer.
<Myprecous1> Immature Christ.
<Jsngsng> Young son.
<LivingEM> Daniel, please abstain from restating this sentence, since you have already demonstrated that you understand the principle of restatement.
<LivingEM> Would someone volunteer to restate the sentence, the lad had wine in his cup?
<OVERCOMER> The young Christ had the Spirit of Christ in his mind.
<LivingEM> Yes, that is correct.
<IsaiahSixty1> The young Christ had the Spirit of Christ in his mind.
<LivingEM> Daniel and Overcomer, you can participate in revealing the meaning of the symbols, but please do not restate anymore sentences, so that the others can have a chance.
Here's another one:
The sea roared against the ship.
What does the sea signify?
<Myprecous1> Satan.
<OVERCOMER> Satan.
<DANIEL42> Satan.
<IsaiahSixty1> Sea/Satan's.
<LAMB> Satan raged against Christ.
<LivingEM> Yes, Lamb, now I know that you understand.
Jsngsng, Myprecous and Isaiah,
Who is the ship that Satan roars against?
<Myprecous1> Christ. Satan roared against Christ.
<Jsngsng> Satan railed against Christ.
<IsaiahSixty1> Satan raged against Christ.
<LivingEM> Myprecous, you are correct. Jsngsng and Isaiah, you interpreted the word roared.
Here's another one:
The woman said, we worship God in this mountain.
Who is the woman?
<IsaiahSixty1> Cain.
<LivingEM> Yes,
Cain is the woman.
What does mountain mean?
<LAMB> High place of ascension.
<Jsngsng> Brow (6th) energy center.
<IsaiahSixty1> High place of ascension.
<LivingEM> Yes, and what are the names of the high places? They are called ???
<Jsngsng> Energy centers.
<LAMB> Energy centers.
<IsaiahSixty1> Energy centers
<LivingEM> Yes, energy centers.
Does anyone remember what worship means?
<IsaiahSixty1> Obey.
<LAMB> Submission.
<LivingEM> Yes,
Worship means obedience and submission.
Who would like to restate the sentence?
The woman said, we worship God in this mountain.
<IsaiahSixty1> Cain said, we obey God in the brow (6th) energy center.
<Jsngsng> Cain is submissive to Satan in the brow (6th) energy center.
<Myprecous1> Cain said that we submit and obey Leviathan in the higher centers.
<LivingEM> Jsngsng, you changed the verb said to is. You have not restated the sentence. You interpreted it.
Myprecous, you did not restate mountain.
We need two more. One for Isaiah and one for Myprecous.
<LAMB> Don't cast your pearls before swine.
<LivingEM> Thanks Lamb.
Who is the swine?
<Myprecous1> Upon this rock I will build My church.
<LivingEM> Thanks Myprecous.
We will take, don't cast your pearls before swine first.
Who is the swine?
<Myprecous1> Swine=Dragon.
<LivingEM> Somebody must know who the swine is.
<IsaiahSixty1> Leviathan.
<LivingEM> No, the swine is not the Dragon.
Nope, not Leviathan.
<LAMB> Pharaoh.
<Jsngsng> Pharaoh.
<LivingEM> Nope, <G> anybody else?
<Myprecous1> Swine is Rahab.
<LivingEM> The swine is the Fiery Serpent married to Leviathan and ascended into the crown (7th) energy center.
The Dragon in the crown (7th) energy center, marries the married couple (swine and Leviathan) and the unholy trio is known as Pharaoh.
The Dragon is Rahab.
The swine is the married, ascended Fiery Serpent, in the crown (7th) energy center.
What do pearls signify?
<Jsngsng> Wisdom.
<LivingEM> Yes.
Isaiah or Myprecous, who would like to restate the sentence, Don't cast your pearls before swine. Isaiah, would you like to try?
<IsaiahSixty1> Don't cast your wisdom before Pharaoh.
<Myprecous1> Don't waste your wisdom on unbelievers.
<LivingEM> You have the idea, Isaiah.
Myprecous, you interpreted the sentence, you did not restate it. The swine is the ascended Fiery Serpent in the crown (7th) energy center. You have to use the same words that are in the sentence, except for the words that are interpreted. Waste is not in the sentence.
<Myprecous1> I'm sorry.
<LivingEM> Ok. Try again.
<Myprecous1> OK. Don't cast your wisdom before Pharaoh.
<LivingEM> The swine is the ascended Fiery Serpent in the crown (7th) energy center, Myprecous. Try again. Upon this rock I will build my church.
Who is the rock?
<LAMB> Christ.
<Myprecous1> Christ.
<IsaiahSixty1> Upon Christ I will build my foundation.
<LivingEM> OK, now try the last one. Upon this rock I will build my church.
<Myprecous1> Upon Christ I will build my sure foundation.
<LivingEM> Yes, that's right Isaiah.
Myprecous, the glorified Jesus Christ is the rock. Please try another one.
The bridegroom cometh at the midnight hour.
Who is the bridegroom?
<LivingEM> Everyone can participate in interpreting the symbols, but please let Myprecous restate the sentence.
Who is the bridegroom? Anybody?
<Myprecous1> Bridegroom is Christ Jesus.
<Jsngsng> Christ Jesus.
<DANIEL42> Jesus Christ.
<IsaiahSixty1> Bridegroom/ Christ Jesus.
<LivingEM> The bridegroom is the glorified Jesus Christ.
Does anyone know what the midnight hour is?
The end of the age.
<LivingEM> Myprecous, please restate the sentence, The bridegroom cometh at the midnight hour.
<Myprecous1> The Glorified Jesus Christ will come at the end of the age.
<LivingEM> You got it! Great! You all get an A.
Back to our subject.
Jehovah promised Abraham that Christ, his seed, would be above Satan's authority, and that Christ would possess Cain, the gate that Satan enters in through.
This means that Christ will seal the door to the underworld within the individual. So everyone who attains to the fulfillment of Jehovah's promise to Abraham, will be without????
<LAMB> Sin.
<DANIEL42> Sin.
<Myprecous1> Sin.
<LivingEM> Yes, without sin.
So did Jacob accurately restate Jehovah's promise? Jehovah promised Abraham....
(AT) the one who (that) kneels down (blessing) will be blessed multiply grow up (multiply) [thy not in Hebrew] seed shining/Prince (star) the throat (5th) energy center (heaven) whirling particles (sand) above (upon) edge (shore) Satan (sea) occupy by driving out the previous tenants (possess) seed opening (gate) adversaries (enemies)
Alternate Translation, Gen. 22:17, The seed [of the supernal Michael, Israel's] shining Prince,* will bless the [personality] that kneels down [so that Abel can] multiply [and] grow up [into King Adam/Christ Jesus, who] will drive the whirling particles [of the Fiery Serpent] [across] the border [of the heart (4th) energy center, into] the throat (5th) energy center [of King Adam/Christ Jesus's timeline, and Abel shall stand] above [Cain], the opening that Satan, [your] adversary, [enters in through].
* Dan 12:1, And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (KJV)
Gen 32:12, And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV)
<LivingEM> Let's take a closer look at what Jacob is saying.
And you said, I will surely do you good, nothing wrong with that,
And will make your seed AS the sand of the sea...
Is that what Jehovah said? That Abraham's seed will be AS the sand of the sea? That they will be great in number and multitude?
Does anyone remember the spiritual significance of the verb to number?
TO NUMBER means TO ACCUMULATE ONE'S ENERGY IN THE HIGHER ENERGY CENTERS.
Does anyone remember the spiritual significance of the word multitude?
<Jsngsng> Assemble?
<LivingEM> The spiritual significance of the word MULTITUDE is, TO BE SPIRITUAL.
To Assemble is associated with the verb to number.
So what in the world is Jacob saying?
The Hebrew word translated, make, can also be translated to put, or to put one it his place; the sea is the symbol for Satan; and the Hebrew word translated cannot, is a negative particle which we will translate, the Fiery Serpent.
The Hebrew word translated to number, can also be translated to accumulate, which signifies the energy of the individual gathered into the brow (6th) energy center, and the Hebrew word translated multitude means vibration, which signifies a spiritual person.
The Hebrew word translated sand, Strong's # 2344, comes from a root, Strong's # which means, to twist or whirl in a circular or spiral manner, specifically, to dance.
The Hebrew word translated sand, means round or whirling particles and, since this Hebrew word is always associated with the sea in the Scripture, the King James translators interpreted the word to mean sand.
But we know that the sea is Satan's symbol, and that Satan moves in a spirilline pattern, which knowledge reveals that the Hebrew word translated sand, is talking about Satan's seed.
Those who study with this ministry regularly, may remember that Christ moves in a linear pattern, that Satan moves in a spirilline pattern, and that the esoteric meaning of the verb to dance, suggests the vibration of spiritual ascension. (Return to Gen 22:17.)
(AT) and you said I will surely do good to you and put in her place (make) seed whirling spirilline particles (sand) Satan (sea) fiery serpents (cannot) accumulated energy (number) spiritual (multitude)
Alternate Translation, Gen. 32:12, [Remember, Jehovah, that] you said, I will surely do good to you by putting the fiery serpents, [Leviathan's] whirling spirilline seeds [within] the spiritual [men of Leviathan's household], in [the right moral order, [because] they have accumulated] Satan, [the energy of astral plane, in their brow (6th) energy center].
<LivingEM> Jacob is saying, Esau's armies have assembled Satan's energy in the brow (6th) energy center, and are ready to kill me and my household. So, make good your promise to my father Abraham that you would do good to them by putting their Fiery Serpents under the authority of Adam/Christ Jesus.
This may come as a shock to you brethren, but Jacob was not afraid of Esau. Jacob was concerned that when Jehovah rose up to protect Jacob against Satan within Esau, that Esau and the members of his household would be slain.
But there is an even deeper underlying message here. Satan was afraid that Esau's household would repent when they met Jacob, and serve Jehovah, so Satan stirred up Leviathan within Esau's household, to fight against Jacob.
Satan sought to bring division and enmity between the two brothers, to prevent Jehovah from destroying Satan's dark kingdom within Esau's household, through Esau's reconciliation with Jacob.
The term hurt the Fiery Serpents, signifies the White Throne Judgment, which is the exposure of sin, the restoration of Abel's authority over Cain, and Abel's reunion with the whole household of God.
(AT) deliver me I pray from the energy (prefix, mem=waters) Leviathan (hand-subconscious mind) brother energy (mem=waters) Leviathan (hand-subconscious mind) Esau because (for) morally reverent (fear) I {Am] lest come hurt (smite) Leviathan (mother) against (with) children
Alternate Translation, Gen. 32:11, Deliver my brother, [Esau], I pray, from [Satan], the energy [of] Leviathan, [the subconscious part of Esau's carnal] mind, because [Satan], the energy [of] Leviathan, [the subconscious part of] Esau's [carnal] mind, is afraid that I [Am] will come [and] hurt the fiery serpents, because [Jehovah desires to deliver Abel], the children [of the Kingdom, who were kidnaped by the Dragon].
<LivingEM> Jacob interceded for Esau and the members of his household, to save their lives. Jacob was Christ to Esau.
Esau's household were powerful spiritual warriors, as signified by the title duke, which means, bull, the animal that signifies Satan. A bull cannot be domesticated until he is castrated.
Gen 36:15, These were dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn son of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz,
16 Duke Korah, duke Gatam, and duke Amalek: these are the dukes that came of Eliphaz in the land of Edom; these were the sons of Adah.
17 And these are the sons of Reuel Esau's son; duke Nahath, duke Zerah, duke Shammah, duke Mizzah: these are the dukes that came of Reuel in the land of Edom; these are the sons of Bashemath Esau's wife.
18 And these are the sons of Aholibamah Esau's wife; duke Jeush, duke Jaalam, duke Korah: these were the dukes that came of Aholibamah the daughter of Anah, Esau's wife.
19 These are the sons of Esau, who is Edom, and these are their dukes. (KJV)
JEHOVAH SAID TO ABRAHAM:
Gen. 22.17, The seed [of the supernal Michael, Israel's] shining Prince, will bless the [personality] that kneels down [so that Abel can] multiply [and] grow up [into King Adam/Christ Jesus, who] will drive the whirling particles [of the fiery serpent across] the border [of the heart (4th) energy center, into] the throat (5th) energy center [of King Adam/Christ Jesus's timeline, and Abel shall stand] above [Cain], the opening that Satan, [your] adversary, [enters in through].
JACOB RESTATES JEHOVAH'S PROMISE TO ABRAHAM
Gen. 32.11, Deliver my brother, [Esau], I pray, from [Satan], the energy [of] Leviathan, [the subconscious part of Esau's carnal] mind, because [Satan], the energy [of] Leviathan, [the subconscious part of] Esau's [carnal] mind, is afraid that I [Am] will come [and] hurt the fiery serpents because [Jehovah desires to deliver Abel], the children [of the Kingdom, who were kidnaped by the Dragon],
Gen. 32.12, [Remember, Jehovah, that] you said, I will surely do good to you by putting the fiery serpents, [Leviathan's] whirling spirilline seeds [within] the spiritual [men of Leviathan's household, who] accumulate [the energy of] Satan's [astral plane in their brow (6th) energy center], in the right moral order.
<LivingEM> So we see that Jacob restated Jehovah's promise to Abraham and applied it to Esau's present, critical situation. Jacob understood that the good that Jehovah promised was protection against Satan, the strong spiritual enemy of the Kingdom of God.
Can everyone see that Jacob restated Jehovah's promise?
Everyone please answer.
<Jsngsng> Yes.
<LAMB> Yes.
<DANIEL42> Yes.
<Myprecous1> Yes.
<IsaiahSixty1> Yes.
<LivingEM> Was Jacob out of order with this request?
<IsaiahSixty1> He was not out of order.
<LivingEM> No, Jacob was not out of order.
Jacob's interpretation of Christ will possess the gate of His enemies, was that Jehovah would seal the spiritual door that Satan passed through to entered into Esau's household. And this is the true meaning of the phrase.
But, Sheila, there was an army of super spiritual men poised to destroy Jacob. What does Christ in Jacob preventing Satan from entering into Esau's household, have to do with that?
Satan must defeats us in the spiritual plane, before we can be defeated in the physical plane. Esau's armies were poised to attack Jacob in the physical plane, but Pharaoh in Esau's soldiers was already attacking Jacob in the spirit. The physical action is only a manifestation of the spiritual battle. Jacob's prayer turned away a whole army of Pharaohs, who Satan, as enforcer of the Sowing & Reaping Judgment, would have destroyed had Esau attacked Jacob, Jehovah's mediator.
Jacob was Christ to Esau.
Will this work for everyone?
Only if we are truly Abraham's seed, since we, the personality, are expressions of the God we serve.
We can call ourselves Christian all we like, but our spiritual identity is engraved in the way we think, and in our behavior. Either the mark of God, or the mark of the beast, is revealed through the way we think, and the way we behave.
What do you do when you see a crisis staring you in the face?
Who do you ask for help?
And if you do ask the Lord for help, do you base your request on Scriptural promises? And is your life in order when you ask?
Are your commitments, as the Lord sees them, fulfilled?
Do you love Him more than anything in the world?
Or does He come after your worldly commitments?
Can the worldly commitments that you put before Him save you from the dukes of Edom?
The dukes of Edom were saved from sure destruction because Christ in Jacob prayed a life-saving prayer.
Does Christ rise to pray in you when a crisis faces you?
Or do you turn to the carnal mind as your Savior, while Christ, the holy seed, rots under the ground?
The Scripture is fluid.
We may restate the Scripture, so long as we are true to the interpretation of the symbols, but when we interpret the whole statement, we are in danger of changing the intent of the Scripture.
Here is the question you asked, Overcomer.
<OVERCOMER> The Scriptures say that Abraham's seed will be as the sands of the seashore and go on forever. I thought this must mean somehow Abraham would live forever, but seeing that he must marry Michael and he didn't, and his personality did not go on because of it, what does this phrase mean?
<LivingEM> Overcomer, do you think you restated or interpreted this Scripture?
<OVERCOMER> Trying to interpret it.
<LivingEM> Yes, Overcomer, you interpreted the Scripture.
So we see that when we make one wrong judgment, everything that builds upon our wrong statement is error. You interpreted the Scripture to mean that Abraham would live forever, and everything that you said after that wrong interpretation was error, because you built upon an incorrect thought.
And this is the reason that I am training you to think critically, and harassing you until you arrive at the right answer.
Is there anything Overcomer, or anyone, would like to ask me concerning Overcomer's question?
<OVERCOMER> I also thought, could it mean physical multitudes unable to be numbered because there are several other Scriptures indicating this, and it indicates that they are so many they will go on?
<LivingEM> Which Scripture?
<OVERCOMER> Several. I can write them in one moment.
<LivingEM> Ok.
<OVERCOMER> Ones mentioning sands of the sea along with the seed and numbers of them are,
Isa.10:22, For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. (KJV)
Hos.1:10, Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. (KJV)
Jer.33:22, As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. (KJV)
Rom. 9:27, Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (KJV)
<OVERCOMER> These are the ones speaking of the Abraham's seed.
<LivingEM> Is.10:22 says that the people will be as many as the sand of the sea, but only a remnant will return.
I don't have any problem saying Christ's offspring will be many, but that is not what Jehovah promised Abraham.
The sands of the sea signify Abraham's descendants WITH SATAN'S NATURE.
That is why Jehovah said through Isaiah THAT ONLY A REMNANT OF ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS WOULD RETURN TO ABRAHAM'S RIGHTEOUSNESS and, in Christ Jesus, to an even greater inheritance than Abraham received.
<LivingEM> Yes, Hos. 1:10, says that Christ's offspring will be immeasurable, but Jehovah did not say that to Abraham. In any event, we must ask if immeasurable means a physical number, or a spiritual dimension.
Rev 11:1, And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. (KJV)
<LivingEM> Christ is immeasurable. When we are reconnected to the Lord Jesus above, we will be one with Jehovah's eternal realm, which is immeasurable.
You can interpret the word immeasurable in the physical or in the spiritual, that is up to you. I always go for the spiritual understanding, although the word, or statement may be true both physically and spiritually. I am not personally concerned with how many physical people manifest Christ, but I would like to be immeasurable because,
As long as there are some immeasurable ones in the world, the whole earth will be under the protection of the Lord Jesus.
Whatever happens from there, is the Lord's business. This is my opinion.
We must be careful to not get caught up in the pursuits of the bride Church, which is concerned with numbers of physical people.
The bridegroom is concerned with CHRIST.
Are there any other questions or comments about this issue?
<OVERCOMER> If it was both, and meaning physical too, I didn't understand how this could be when according to this doctrine, you have said that this physical creation will come to an end, and physical reproduction will come to end. So what are these multitudes, a spiritual creation that will multiply?
<LivingEM> They could be true consecutively. It will be thousands of years before human reproduction comes to a complete end. Physical reproduction will continue until the last person on earth is converted. The two dynasties, physical and spiritual, will flourish, side-by-side, until that time.
Anyone else?
Abraham
Should He Have Lived Forever?
<OVERCOMER> You said if Abraham had lived forever he could have not been the one that this seed would be given through, so does this mean, that he was destined to reproduce and die, and only it would appear in generations after him?
<LivingEM> Michael, Elohim's seed within Abraham, married the dead Abel (below) and the supernal Elohim (above), and became a Holy Unity, or the Holy One, the Shekinah, within Abraham. But, the Holy One within Abraham did not circumcise Cain away from Leviathan within Abraham. Abraham's sin nature remained intact. How do I know that? Abraham died.
Abraham was overshadowed by the Holy One, which means that Abraham's spiritual ascension was a gift.
Abraham did not overcome his sin nature by of his own righteousness, because ABRAHAM WAS NOT RIGHTEOUS IN HIS OWN RIGHT.
The Holy One covered Abraham's sin nature, but Abraham was not sinless.
Gen 15:6 And [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and [Jehovah] counted it to him for righteousness. (KJV)
<LivingEM> And which of Jehovah's promises did Abraham believe that imputed righteousness to him?
Gen 15:5, And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, SO SHALL THY SEED BE. (KJV)
(AT) carry out (brought forth) him sever/separate by a wall/outside (abroad) said look intently (look toward) now the world above (heaven) record/inscribre (tell) if shining princes (stars) if to be able accumulate (number) them said o belong (unto him) so shall be your seed
Alternate Translation, Gen 15:5, [And Jehovah] said [to Abraham], now look intently [into] the world above, [and you will see King Adam], the wall that can separate [Abel from Cain], carry [Abel] outside [of this fallen world, and] sever [Cain from Leviathan],
IF [Michael], the shining prince [that] is engraved [with my nature], accumulates [the energy that] belongs [to me in the brow (6th) energy center, and] this will happen to [Messiah], your seed.
My emphasis was not on Abraham living or dying, but on Abraham's seed traveling through the genes of Abraham's descendants, until Jehovah's promise of producing a Messiah that would save the whole world, was fulfilled.
Christ, Abraham's seed, consists of a glorified seed (Elijah) and a mortal seed (the dead Abel), mingled into one new seed (Eph. 2:15, 2 Cor. 5:17).
Michael, the seed that was imparted to Abraham, was a Shining Spiritual Prince (Dan. 12:1), but he was not a glorified seed.
Michael within Elijah mingled with the dust of Elijah's humanity (below) and Elohim (above), and matured into the Holy One called King Adam, or the Shekinah, but the dead Abel was not found in Elijah, who was incarnated by Michael, ELOHIM'S LIVING SEED. Michael within the personality, Elijah, was glorified because there was no death in him.
Abraham was possessed of a Shining Spiritual Prince, BUT DEATH STILL REIGNED IN HIM. Michael would have to overcome death to qualify as Savior of the world.
Everyone in Abraham's day, and in our day also, dies. Abraham was no different than anyone else in this respect.
Abraham's sin nature marked him for death.
Can you see that your emphasis is on Abraham instead of on Christ? This is a sign that your carnal mind is at work.
Are there any other questions or comments from anyone on this issue?
<OVERCOMER> If Elijah was not born of a woman, he could never have been human.
<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us what conclusion Overcomer has drawn here?
I said, Elijah was not born of a woman.
What conclusion did Overcomer draw?
<OVERCOMER> That he wasn't human.
<LivingEM> Yes, is there anyone who cannot see that Overcomer drew the conclusion from my statement of fact, that Elijah was not born of a woman, that Elijah was not human?
<Jsngsng> That he was immortal.
<Myprecous1> I can see it.
<LivingEM> Jsngsng, my question was, what conclusion did Overcomer make? Overcomer's statement is, Sheila said, Elijah was not born of a woman, therefore Elijah was never human.
<Jsngsng> That he was not human.
<LivingEM> He was never human - did I say that or did Overcomer say that?
<Jsngsng> Overcomer said that.
<LivingEM> Ok. So, if I said that Elijah was not born of a woman. What conclusion did Overcomer draw?
Use her own words, Jsnngsng. Overcomer drew the conclusion that__________.
<IsaiahSixty1> That he was not human.
<LivingEM> Yes, Isaiah.
You see, Jsngsng, an answer such as immortal, is an interpretation of what Overcomer said.
Perhaps Overcomer thought Elijah was an insect. (Forgive me Lord.) Insects are not human.
How do you know what Overcomer meant by immortal? Jsngsng?
<Jsngsng> I interpreted it.
<LivingEM> Yes, Jsngsng, Overcomer interpreted what I said, and you interpreted what Overcomer said, and this is how we build the Tower of Babel.
I never said that Elijah was not human.
Overcomer drew the conclusion that the only way to be human, is to be born of a woman.
Is there anyone who cannot see that?
<LivingEM> Myprecous, I said that Elijah was not born of a woman. Overcomer said, Elijah is not human.
What conclusion did Overcomer draw?
<Myprecous1> That he must not be human.
<LivingEM> If Elijah was born of a woman, and not human, what additional conclusion can we draw?
Not born of a woman, not human, means??? Alien? Insect? Gorilla?
If Elijah was not born of a woman, and Elijah is not human, then to be human you must be born of a _____________?
<LAMB> Spirit.
<OVERCOMER> Woman.
<LivingEM> Yes, Overcomer.
Let's try it again for the rest of the class.
If Elijah was not born of a woman, and
Elijah is not human, then
To be human, you must be what Elijah is not.
And what is Elijah not, concerning his birth?
<IsaiahSixty1> Born of a woman.
<DANIEL42> Born of a woman.
<Myprecous1> Born of a woman.
<LivingEM> Elijah is not born of a woman, so is Elijah human? Animal? Insect? We don't know what Elijah is. But, according to Overcomer's logic, we know that Elijah is not human, which means that if we want to be human, we must be born in a different manner than Elijah.
So, we don't know how Elijah was born, but we do know how Elijah was not born. And how was Elijah not born? Everyone answer please.
<IsaiahSixty1> Of a woman.
<DANIEL42> He was not born of a woman.
<Jsngsng> Not born of a woman.
<Myprecous1> He was not born of a woman.
<LAMB> Via a woman.
<OVERCOMER> He's not born of a woman.
In the New Testament, I thought it had been said that Jesus had to be born of a woman in order to be Savior of the world. How could Elijah be Savior of humanity, or Israel, without being born of a woman?
<LivingEM> Is Elijah Savior of Israel or of humanity? Anyone?
<OVERCOMER> Israel.
<LAMB> Israel.
<Jsngsng> Israel.
<LivingEM> So, Elijah is not Savior of the world.
Jesus, who is born of a woman, is Savior of the world.
The Savior of the world had to be born of a human woman so that His glorified seed could be grafted to fallen man.
What part of mortal man does Christ graft to? Anybody?
<LAMB> Human spirit.
<IsaiahSixty1> Human spirit.
<Myprecous1> Mind.
<LivingEM> Anyone else?
<DANIEL42> Human spirit.
<Jsngsng> Personality.
<OVERCOMER> Abel.
<LivingEM> Yes, Christ grafts to Abel.
What condition is Abel in, in the Gentiles?
<OVERCOMER> Dead.
<LivingEM> Yes, Abel is dead in the Gentiles.
What condition is Abel in, in Israel?
<OVERCOMER> Dead.
<Jsngsng> Dead root.
<Myprecous1> Asleep.
<LivingEM> Yes, Abel, Adam's root system, is sleeping in Israel.
Actually, unconscious is more accurate than sleeping. Sleeping implies the power to wake up, but Abel cannot wake up of his own accord.
Abel, Adam's root system in Israel, is in a coma.
Why is Abel not completely dead in Israel?
Abel was dead in Israel, just like Abel is dead in the Gentiles, until Jehovah sent Elohim to regenerate Adam in Israel through Moses. But Adam, the Tree of Life that appeared in Israel, died again. Nevertheless, Abel, Adam's root system, is still hanging on in Israel. Abel is still capable of responding to Elijah, his elder brother.
Elijah and Abel Are Brothers
What do Elijah and Abel have in common?
<LAMB> Both are spirit.
<DANIEL42> Both not born of a woman.
<Jsngsng> Spirit of Christ.
<OVERCOMER> Elohim?
<LivingEM> Lamb is close, but the answer that I am looking for is Michael.
Elijah and Abel are both expressions of Michael, the seed side of Elohim's spiritual seminal fluid.
Abel is the DEAD seed of Elohim's breath that was breathed into the creation, and
Elijah is a man formed from Elohim's LIVING seed.
Abel does not exist in the man, Elijah, because Cain and Abel are Adam's mortal remains, and Elijah is not a part of the creation that died when Adam fell prey to the Primordial Serpent's witchcraft.
Abel is a part of the mortal creation that came into existence after Adam died, but Elijah is formed from Michael, Elohim's living seed.
Elohim is the Father of both Elijah and Abel, which makes Elijah and Abel brothers. Wherefore, Elijah and Abel's seeds should be compatible for an organ transplant. But the glorified Elijah cannot graft to a completely dead Abel. Elijah's seed can graft to Abel only when there is still some measure of life in him.
So, Elijah incarnated through the personality of Jesus, who was born of a human woman, to acquire and mingle with Mary's dead, human genes (Abel), which would equip Elijah's glorified seed to graft to the dead Abel in mortal men.
The human genes that Jesus inherited from Mary did not corrupt the Spirit of Elijah who was born as Jesus but, on the contrary, Jesus' human genes mixed with Elijah's spiritual genes, and Elijah's spiritual genes prevailed over Jesus' human genes (1 Cor. 15:54).
And, so, Christ, Abraham's seed, is a compound of Elijah's glorified seed, AND Abel, which can be grafted to the dead Abel in mortal humanity. (See, Michael & Christ, Abraham's Seed) [OLM - 8/23/00].)
So, to answer your question, Overcomer, Elijah was born of a woman, as Jesus of Nazareth, in a future generation.
Are there any questions? Or comments?
<OVERCOMER> But he was human in the Old Testament? You said he acquired human genes in Jesus, that's the New Testament, yet you're saying he was human in the Old Testament?
<LivingEM> Can anyone tell us how Elijah could be human even though he was not born of a woman?
How did Elijah acquire his physical body?
<LAMB> He was incarnated by the Spirit of Michael?
<LivingEM> That is true, Lamb, but how did he acquire his physical body?
<Myprecous1> He was human because he was born of a woman through Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
<IsaiahSixty1> Through Jesus.
<LAMB> He was clothed upon with atoms?
<LivingEM> The supernal Michael sent forth a spark of himself that pierced through all of the planes of consciousness, and the material atoms of the etheric plane clung to Michael and formed Elijah's physical body.
Where do the material atoms that form a new baby come from?
<Myprecous1> From the sperm of Jehovah.
<LAMB> The mother's body.
<LivingEM> Yes, the material atoms that form a new baby come from the mother's body.
Why does it take much less energy to birth a baby than to form a self-incarnated body.?
It takes much less energy to birth a baby than to form in a self-incarnated body, because the flesh of the mother's body is already formed. Michael had to form Elijah's flesh before he shaped it into a physical body.
Why are un-incarnated immortals born into this world through human women? Why don't they self-incarnate?
Un-incarnated immortals lack the power to stabilize a self-made, physical body in the visible plane of existence.
How do un-incarnated immortals acquire the power to self-incarnate?
<Myprecous1> From human beings which attract worship to him.
<LivingEM> Yes, Myprecous, an un-incarnated immortal will overshadow an existing human being to give him charismatic powers, and when the un-incarnated immortal acquires enough power FROM the ON-GOING worship that he receives by convincing the people that he is Jesus, the imposter appears in a stabilized, self-incarnated body.
Where is this happening today? What well-known Christian preacher is overshadowed by an immortal who is presently acquiring enough energy to manifest a stable physical body for himself right now?
<DANIEL42> xxxxx
<LivingEM> Yes.
And what is the name of the immortal that is overshadowing xxxxx?
<Myprecous1> Lord Maitreya.
<LivingEM> Who does Maitreya say he is?
<DANIEL42> Christ.
<Myprecous1> The Christ.
<LivingEM> Yes, and, indeed, Maitreya is the false Christ of the New Age of Acquarius.
Do you all believe that when the first son of God in this generation stands, that he will have the power to raise up other sons?
<Myprecous1> YES.
<IsaiahSixty1> Yes.
<DANIEL42> Yes.
<Jsngsng> Yes.
<OVERCOMER> Yes.
<LAMB> Yes.
<LivingEM> Many of God's people are giving Maitreya the power they have received from the Holy Spirit freely, because they are ignorant of what we are talking about here. So, Maitreya will open the door for many evil immortals to enter into this world when he stabilizes in the visible plane.
Are there any questions or comments on this issue?
I pray that you should all learn to think logically, and critically, and to avoid drawing wrong conclusions, so that Cain, the conscious part of your carnal mind, may be prepared to receive Christ.
I am sorry if I hurt anyone with my hardness, but there is no other way.
Thank you for some good questions, Overcomer.
May Christ Jesus overshadow us all, and hide us from the angel of death, who is programmed to slay the carnal mind wherever he sees her.
The angel of death does not go forth on one physical Passover day. Passover is a spiritual day, that has already begun, and will end only when all the first born of spiritual Egypt are dead. Hide behind Christ Jesus, because the spiritual day of calamity is at hand.
Who are the spiritual Egyptians?
Spiritual Egyptians are mortal men who live out of the crown (7th) energy center of the counterfeit timeline, and express the nature of Pharaoh, the three-fold union of the Dragon, Leviathan and the Fiery Serpent.
I smite Pharaoh in all of you. and in everyone who reads this transcript. I unravel that unholy trio, the Fiery Serpent, Leviathan and the Dragon, and drown Pharaoh in the red sea, the symbol for the Spirit of Christ.
Fall down, you wicked Fiery Serpent. Glutenous are you for the energy of my people, but you shall fall down, and there shall be no recompense for you. Fall down, oh daughter of Babylon, and sit in the dust, for the hour of the Passover is at hand.
I will go forth, and I will smite the first born carnal mind, and there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth in spiritual Egypt.
<LivingEM> Do not entertain fear, but ask the Lord if there is anything that you should be doing that you are not doing, AND THEN DO IT!
<LivingEM> Ok. So, we all understand that Overcomer has drawn the conclusion that Elijah is not human because I said that Elijah was not born of a woman.
Does everyone understand that Overcomer made this statement? That Elijah is not human?
<Jsngsng> I understand.
<LivingEM> Everyone please respond.
<IsaiahSixty1> Yes.
<DANIEL42> Understand.
<Myprecous1> I do.
<LAMB> I understand.
<Myprecous1> I do.
<LivingEM> Overcomer?
<OVERCOMER> Yes, I understand.
<LivingEM> So, the Lord has exposed illogical reasoning here.
There is no personal criticism of Overcomer intended here. This is how the carnal mind thinks, and this is the reason why I harass you all, TO TRAIN YOU TO THINK CRITICALLY, so that in the hour of your calamity, you will be equipped to pray the Scripture accurately, and save your life, and the lives of your loved ones.
Exercises such as these, prepare us to receive the Mind of Christ, because our carnal mind must be trained to think analytically, before Christ can cover her.
In Christ Jesus, you are all saviors who cover the physical and spiritual families that the Lord has given you charge over.
God bless you all.
Go in peace.
Goodnight.