10/28/98
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LivingEM: Are there any questions today?
LivingEM: This is Part 2 of "The Reasonable Man."
LivingEM: "Reason": governed by or being in accordance with
LivingEM: reason or sound thinking; being within the bounds of common
LivingEM: sense.
LivingEM: The word "reasonable" appears in the Greek New Testament one time:
LivingEM: Strongs 3050 means logical.
LivingEM: Let's look at that Scripture.
LivingEM: Romans 12:1:
LivingEM: I beseech you therefore brethren by the merciers of God,
LivingEM: that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,
LivingEM: holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
LivingEM: Paul is saying,
LivingEM: make your bodies available to God's service, because this is
LivingEM: the logical thing to do.
LivingEM: First of all, the Greek word translated "body,"
LivingEM: is not resstricted to the physical body.
LivingEM: Paul clearly says in another place that there is a celestial body,
LivingEM: and a terrestial body.
LivingEM: There is a body made of the earth, terrestial, and
LivingEM: there is a body made from heavenly material, celestial.
LivingEM: Paul is saying that we should make our physical and spiritual body,
LivingEM: available to Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: Christ Jesus is not interested in expressing Himself through our emotional body.
LivingEM: Satan is our emotional body, and Christ Jesus is fully intending to cast her down into the
LivingEM: bottomless pit, which is the root energy center.
LivingEM: Christ Jesus wants to express Himself primarily through our mental body.
LivingEM: The expression of Christ Jesus through our mental body will continue on after our physical
LivingEM: body is swallowed up.
LivingEM: Christ Jesus does express Himself through our physical bodies for so long as
LivingEM: we remain so carnal that we need them to serve Christ Jesus with.
LivingEM: The spiritual body is more than the mind.
LivingEM: It is the mind woven together with the personality and the spirit that they are married to.
LivingEM: If Christ is in you, you have two spiritual bodies, which are
LivingEM: siamese twins.
LivingEM: The Scripture calls them, the Old Man and the New Man.
LivingEM: I think it is very rare for siamese twins to be surgically separated,
LivingEM: and for both of them to survive. Does any know if it is possible for the two to survive?
Myprecous1: Yes
LivingEM: It is possible?
Myprecous1: Yes but rare
LivingEM: I think it must depend upon where they are joined.
LivingEM: If the two children are sharing a brain, or a heart, or a spinal cord, only one can survive,
LivingEM: because one child will keep the organ, and the other will be without an essential organ.
LivingEM: This is the situation of those of us who have Christ forming out
LivingEM: of their human spirit. The human spirit can be likened to the physical heart.
LivingEM: We cannot live without it.
LivingEM: So, when the surgery takes place, only one man can live.
LivingEM: Does anyone know the Scriptural name of the surgery?
JSNGSNG: Circumcision
LivingEM: Yes, circumcision.
LivingEM: "Circumcision" implies the separation of two parts, one the true organ, and the other a
LivingEM: covering, or hood, which can be likened to an eyelid that covers the eye.
LivingEM: Our carnal mind and our Christ mind are not equal.
LivingEM: One is the true mind, and the other is supposed to be a functional part of the true organ.
LivingEM: But this functional part of the true organ acquired a consciousness of its own,
LivingEM: and challenged the true organ for the position of "mind" of the creature.
LivingEM: That part of the mind which connects us to the spirit of the mind, LivingEM: is the human spirit.
LivingEM: It is possible for the human spirit to be joined to the true mind and the false mind at the
LivingEM: same time, but this is a perversion which can be likened to siamese twins.
LivingEM: The two minds are fighting to possess the personality that they dwell in, and the whole of
LivingEM: the human spirit.
LivingEM: Sometimes the personality divides also, but multiple personality disorder
LivingEM: is a serious mental ilness.
LivingEM: So we see that in this dead world there exists the possibility of a divided
LivingEM: physical body, a divided personality and a divided mind.
LivingEM: Many of the personalities of this fallen world are quite content with their lives
LivingEM: because they have never known anything else.
LivingEM: I saw an example of this on TV a while back.
LivingEM: Siamese twins were discovered, which had never been seen by a doctor.
LivingEM: The mother gave birth to them at home and hid them from the world. The two were joined at
LivingEM: the head in such a way that one of the twins had to
LivingEM: have their neck twisted. The two could not both sit or stand
LivingEM: upright at the same time.
LivingEM: When they were discovered, there were doctors who offered to
LivingEM: separate them. I don't remember what their chances were of survival,
LivingEM: but the twins decided that they liked being so close and chose not to separate.
LivingEM: Human beings adjust to anything.
LivingEM: This is the spiritual condition of the man who has Christ formed in him.
LivingEM: Some are so used to it, that they are not willing to separate from their carnal mind,
LivingEM: even though Christ is in them.
LivingEM: So in Rom. 12:1, Paul is saying that we should make our spiritul and
LivingEM: physical bodies available to Christ Jesus because this is the logical thing to do.
LivingEM: In other words, it is not logical to serve Satan and the fiery serpent.
LivingEM: Remember, it is the personality who chooses the spiritual man she
LivingEM: will align herself with, and the spiritual man that she chooses,
LivingEM: determines whether she will exist in this world as her "old man,"
LivingEM: or her "new man."
LivingEM: Now why would Paul say that to choose Christ Jesus is the logical thing to do?
LivingEM: If I didn't make it clear earlier, the Greek word translated
LivingEM: "reasonable" means "logical."
LivingEM: logical.
LivingEM: Doesn't everybody know that?
LivingEM: Isn't it common sense to choose to live out of Christ Jesus, rather than
LivingEM: the carnal mind?
LivingEM: Yes, it is common sense to choose to live out of Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: So what does this information say about the Body of Christ?
LivingEM: That they have no common sense.
LivingEM: That they are not logical.
LivingEM: That they are not reasonable.
LivingEM: I don't know about you, but I always wondered what Rom. 12:1 meant.
LivingEM: As with many Scriptures, the term "reasonable service" sure sounds good,
LivingEM: but I never knew what it meant.
LivingEM: Paul is saying that those of us who have Christ formed in them, but are not living out of Him,
LivingEM: have a problem.
LivingEM: But I have a lot of common sense when it come to the practical things of life, you say.
LivingEM: This may be true, but there are two different kinds of common sense.
LivingEM: One applies to the things of this word. It is called "prudence."
LivingEM: And the other applies to "spiritual common sense."
LivingEM: Spiritual common sense would flee from Satan, yet the whole world is lost in sin.
LivingEM: This, brethren, is because our free will is in bondage to Satan's emotional mind.
LivingEM: Satan counterfeits the mind of God, so we find in this world
LivingEM: some people who are very sound and stable in their carnal mind.
LivingEM: But when it comes to the spiritual things of Christ Jesus, the most stable and sound-
LivingEM: minded person of this world falls into their emotional mind, and is
LivingEM: usually terrified of drawing near to Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: Now, if you are reading this transcript from our Web Page,
LivingEM: you may not know that the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus are two different expressions of the
LivingEM: Lord Jesus Christ.
LivingEM: Many who will draw near to the Holy Spirit, will run from Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: So the whole world is running after Satan and the fiery serpent,
LivingEM: which makes them unreasonable, illogical people.
LivingEM: How can you say "the whole world" Sheila, what about those of us who are
LivingEM: following Christ Jesus?
LivingEM: Those who are truly living out of Christ Jesus are in another timeline.
LivingEM: I said the "whole world" is following after Satan and Leviathan.
LivingEM: That means the people who are dwelling is the Serpent's timeline.
LivingEM: "The world" is Satan's stage.
LivingEM: According to this definition,
LivingEM: Christ Jesus is the only reasonable man.
LivingEM: And no one can live out of Christ Jesus unless he sacrifices his carnal mind.
LivingEM: And the carnal mind is the temple of the Holy Ghost.
LivingEM: So, even if you are not living out of Christ Jesus, if you sacrifice
LivingEM: your carnal mind, there is power to be reasonable in the Holy Ghost,
LivingEM: when the carnal mind is sacrificed.
LivingEM: That's why Paul says, "present yourself as a living sacrifice,"
LivingEM: which means, sacrifice your carnal mind so that you can live.
LivingEM: How do we sacrifice our carnal mind?
LivingEM: Anyone?
DANIEL42: have your sins exposed, confess and repent
LivingEM: Yes. In other words, resist your carnal mind.
LivingEM: We cannot resist our carnal mind unless we have our sins exposed, and then confess
LivingEM: them and repent, which means "change."
LivingEM: Many confuse confession with repentance.
LivingEM: "Repentance" means "change."
LivingEM: Repentance comes in two stages:
LivingEM: repentance by faith, and true repentance.
LivingEM: Repentance by faith can be likened to the "grace" of this present
age.
LivingEM: Repentance by faith is a desire to change.
LivingEM: When we desire to change, the Holy Spirit or Christ, if He is present,
LivingEM: helps us to achieve our goal.
LivingEM: Many fail to change, because there is no true repentance.
LivingEM: God "helps" us to change, when we really try to change.
LivingEM: There is a false doctrine in the Church which teaches that God will do everything for us,
LivingEM: while we just stand by like infants.
LivingEM: This is a lie.
LivingEM: To change our nature is very hard.
LivingEM: But Christ assists us, and we succeed.
LivingEM: The actual change is true repentance.
LivingEM: Confession is acknowledgement of specific sin.
LivingEM: There can be no change, or repentance, without confession.
LivingEM: And there can be no confession without exposure of sin.
LivingEM: And only Christ rebuilds you in His image after He has wrecked
LivingEM: your "old" nature.
LivingEM: There is rehabilitation in the carnal mind,
LivingEM: but this is translation from "evil" to "good,"
LivingEM: which is no small thing, and in fact, is one of the good things of this world.
LivingEM: But "good" cannot produce eternal life.
LivingEM: We are talking about Rom. 12:1.
LivingEM: We must sacrifice our carnal mind if we are to experience the
LivingEM: true life -- and this is the logical thing to do.
LivingEM: The English word "reasonable" is a translation of Strong's 3050,
LivingEM: logikos,
LivingEM: which is used one more time in the New Testament, where
LivingEM: it is translated "word."
LivingEM: 1 Peter 2:2
LivingEM: As new born babes, desire the sincere milk of the word
LivingEM: that you may grow thereby.
LivingEM: The Greek word translated "word," Strong's 3050, means "logical."
LivingEM: Well, the sentence doesn't make any sense if we try to incorporate
LivingEM: the word "logical."
LivingEM: What to do?
LivingEM: Let's look for a possible mistranslation of one or more of the
other words in the sentence.
LivingEM: "Sincere," Strongs 97,
LivingEM: means undeceitful, unmixed, unadulterated.
LivingEM: The significance here, is that the truth of the Scripture should not be
LivingEM: mixed with false doctrine.
LivingEM: 2 Cor. 11:3
LivingEM: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve by his subtilty,
LivingEM: so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: The Greek word translated "simplicity," Strong's 572,
LivingEM: means "singleness."
LivingEM: Paul is saying, don't be divided in your mind.
LivingEM: Don't think partially with the mind of Christ, and partially with
LivingEM: your carnal mind.
LivingEM: Mixture is antichrist, brethren.
LivingEM: Don't mix your seed.
LivingEM: Thoughts are seed.
LivingEM: Don't allow the seeds from both trees into your mind
LivingEM: Receive only the seeds of the tree of life, and discard the seed of the tree of the
LivingEM: Knowledge of Good and Evil.
LivingEM: Back to 1 Peter 23:2:
LivingEM: The Greek word translated "desire" can be translated "to Pursue."
LivingEM: Remember that the Greek word translated "word" means "logical."
LivingEM: There is no Greek word that means "word" in this verse.
LivingEM: It is logical [word] to pursue [desire] the unadulterated [sincere] milk.
LivingEM: Well, if this translation is correct, there must be more than one kind of milk.
LivingEM: Does that surprise you?
LivingEM: Scripturally speaking, where does the milk, referring to spiritual food, come from?
PSALM 29 2: The Word
LivingEM: Well, the Word is the seed that produces the bread.
LivingEM: Scripturally speaking, the milk comes from the breast.
LivingEM: Does anyone know who the breasted one is?
DANIEL42: El Shaddi
LivingEM: The Word is the seed that produces the.
LivingEM: Yes. Jehovah is the breasted one.
LivingEM: There is the milk from Jehovah's breast, which is being passed to us through Christ.
LivingEM: So where can the other kind of milk be coming from?
DANIEL42: the serpent?
LivingEM: Yes, the serpent.
LivingEM: When I was in grade school, our teacher had a poster up on the wall which said,
LivingEM: "you are what you eat."
LivingEM: In human nurturing,
LivingEM: breast milk can convey immune defenses to the infant,
LivingEM: but breast milk can also transfer disease,
LivingEM: drugs,
LivingEM: addictions,
LivingEM: and -- althought it is not spoken about very much -- genetic
LivingEM: qualities.
LivingEM: breast milk can convey negative genetic and emotional and physical
LivingEM: qualities.
LivingEM: The serpent's milk transfers deadly spiritual genes,
LivingEM: and the milk of Christ transfers the potential for life.
LivingEM: So, when the one who is to be born [that is, Christ in you] is still an infant,
LivingEM: you, the personality that He is joined to, should pursue the pure, unadulterated milk of Christ Jesus [in another man],
LivingEM: which is the logical thing to do.
LivingEM: There is an untranslated word in this verse.
LivingEM: Actually 2 untranslated words.
LivingEM: The first one is "into."
LivingEM: The second one is Strong's 4991, which means "salvation."
LivingEM: Now, how could a word like "salvation" be left untranslated, you ask.
LivingEM: My answer is, as always, simply this. The King James translators did the best that they
LivingEM: could, and thank God for what they did.
LivingEM: But they simply couldn't make any sense out of this verse because
LivingEM: they were unaware of the spiritual principle that it presents.
LivingEM: So when [Christ], the one who is to be born, is still an infant,
LivingEM: pursue the pure, unadulterated milk [of Christ Jesus in another man], so that you may grow
LivingEM: up into salvation.
LivingEM: Brethren, don't study with a man who preaches out of both minds,
LivingEM: because if you expose yourself to the seeds of both trees,
LivingEM: the seed of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as well as the tree of life,
LivingEM: When Christ in you is still an infant,
LivingEM: the seeds of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil will grow up
LivingEM: more quickly than the seeds which produce the tree of life,
LivingEM: and the weed in the garden will kill the cultivated plant.
LivingEM: 1 Peter 2:3 says:
LivingEM: if so be that ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
LivingEM: Brethren, the weed will kill the cultivated plant in you, even though
LivingEM: you have experienced the grace of God [that is, the Holy Spirit].
LivingEM: So we see that the maverick mind kills the gentile, logical mind
LivingEM: whether the contest is between the carnal mind and the Christ mind,
LivingEM: or between the good and evil members of the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil.
LivingEM: This world is given over to the evil one, brethren.
LivingEM: It is is her world.
LivingEM: She rules here.
LivingEM: We can never overcome her with our own strength.
LivingEM: Christ in the midst of us is our deliverer, but he cannot
LivingEM: lead us out of Egypt until he is full grown AND joined to the
glorified Jesus Christ.
LivingEM: The King James translation of this and other verses
LivingEM: has led many to believe that there are two degrees of the Word:
LivingEM: milk and meat.
LivingEM: One for the baby Christian, and for the mature one.
LivingEM: But this is not so.
LivingEM: There is one truth, and one Spirit of Truth.
LivingEM: Milk can separate into curds and whey,
LivingEM: "Milk" in the context of feeding young Christians, is a metaphor,
LivingEM: which teaches us that there is spiritual food which can be
LivingEM: changed from it's original form.
LivingEM: Heb. 5:14:
LivingEM: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
LivingEM: even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised
LivingEM: to discern both good and evil.
LivingEM: Well, it does sound like baby Christians should drink milk, the watered down Word,
LivingEM: and the mature Christians can handle the undiluted Word.
LivingEM: Not so.
LivingEM: The Greek word translated "belongeth" is the verb "to be."
LivingEM: The English words "to them that" is the Greek word translated "the."
LivingEM: But [the man] who is of full age is strong meat
LivingEM: because he uses his organ of perception [mind]
LivingEM: because he trains him mind to discern between the good one and the evil one.
LivingEM: Brethren, these Scriptures are speaking about the teachers of
LivingEM: the Word, not the disciples.
LivingEM: The teacher who ministers milk
LivingEM: is the man who teaches out of two minds
LivingEM: He starts out holding his mind single.
LivingEM: That is, when he starts preaching, Christ has the carnal mind underfoot.
LivingEM: But in the midst of the message, Satan breaks free, and the whole milk
LivingEM: breaks down into curds and whey.
LivingEM: The two minds separate and from that point on, this preacher
LivingEM: is dispensing both seeds.
LivingEM: But the teacher of the Word who is strong meat,
LivingEM: remains in the single mind of Christ Jesus, BECAUSE
LivingEM: he is able to distinguish between Christ Jesus and the carnal mind.
LivingEM: And the reason he can tell the difference between the two is BECAUSE
LivingEM: HE PRACTICES telling the difference between the two.
LivingEM: Brethren, the most sincere Christian will be deceived and possibly
LivingEM: defeated until HE TRAINS HIMSELF to discern between the two minds.
LivingEM: Please note that an ability to distinguish between the two minds is not imparted
LivingEM: by the laying on of hands.
LivingEM: Neither is it a gift that one receives without repentance.
LivingEM: The quality of spiritual strength will arise in the man
LivingEM: who PRACTICES distinguishing between the two minds,
LivingEM: AND WARS AGAINST THE EVIL MIND to keep it down under Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: I tell you openly, brethren, Satan willl defeat you over and over again,
LivingEM: unless you are willing to become a full-time warrior in Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: There is no easy way out.
LivingEM: God will not do for you what you are capable of doing for yourself.
LivingEM: He will strengthen you in your weaknesses,
LivingEM: but He will not move supernaturally on your behalf until you have done all you can do.
LivingEM: Brethren, the maturity spoken about in these Scriptures,
LivingEM: concerns the teacher.
LivingEM: If you study with a teacher who cannot keep Satan under foot, you will not grow up into
LivingEM: salvation.
LivingEM: That's what the Scripture says.
LivingEM: And to those of you who think you were saved because you answered an altar call,
LivingEM: you have received a lie.
LivingEM: Lord willing, you were reconciled to Jehovah through the Lord Jesus Christ, when you
LivingEM: answered that altar call.
LivingEM: For you to be "saved," Christ must be formed in you, grow up,
LivingEM: and be born again into the spiritual world where Jesus is.
LivingEM: When Christ in you has this experience, He brings you, the
personality that He is
LivingEM: joined to, with Him, and you, the personlity, are "saved."
LivingEM: Once again,
LivingEM: "milk" signifies an immature teacher who cannot tell the
LivingEM: difference between his carnal mind and his Christ mind.
LivingEM: Please note that those who minister out of the Holy Ghost are
LivingEM: not considered teachers of the Word.
LivingEM: And because he cannot tell the difference between the two, Satan
LivingEM: slips into the teaching and sows the serpent's seeds into the
LivingEM: minds of those listening to his message.
LivingEM: "Meat" signifies the teacher of the Word who can tell the difference between
LivingEM: Christ Jesus and his carnal mind, who wars against Satan continuously,
LivingEM: and does not let her contaminate the seed that he is sowing into the minds of the people.
LivingEM: So, Paul says, further,
LivingEM: if for some reason the only teacher around is a "milk" teacher,
LivingEM: you do not have to be subject to his weakness.
LivingEM: Receive only the pure, unadulterated Word, Paul says,
LivingEM: which is the only logical thing to do.
LivingEM: Are there any questions?
LivingEM: Logic means
LivingEM: the relationship between elements
LivingEM: and between individuals.
LivingEM: So we see that logic, or reason, has to do with relationship.
LivingEM: When two people talk without there being a relationship
LivingEM: between what the two are saying, this is an illogical,
LivingEM: or an unreasonable, conversation.
LivingEM: It is confusion,.
LivingEM: Brethren, it is okay to disagree.
LivingEM: But there should be a relationship between what the two of you
LivingEM: are saying to each other.
LivingEM: You should be responding to what the other person just said.
LivingEM: If one party brings in one or more foreign issues,
LivingEM: they bring confusison into the conversation.
LivingEM: A logical mind is an ordered mind.
LivingEM: A confused mind is a disordered mind.
LivingEM: A disordered mind is an unfocused mind.
LivingEM: An unfocused mind is a weak mind.
LivingEM: The energy of an unfocused mind is scattered.
LivingEM: You have no power to accomplish your goal.
LivingEM: You cannot concentrate on the root issue.
LivingEM: There can be no solution to the problem.
LivingEM: Communication has failed.
LivingEM: The parties depart from one another with the walls strengthened,.
LivingEM: True communication breaks down walls.
LivingEM: And heals breaches and wounds.
LivingEM: But there can be no true communication where the parties to
LivingEM: the controversy cannot even agree as to what the problem is.
LivingEM: Or where one or both will not respond to what the other is saying.
LivingEM: True communication requires listening as well as talking.
LivingEM: If you don't listen to what the other party has to say, how can you
LivingEM: possibly respond to them?
LivingEM: You cannot.
LivingEM: There is no solution to problems without responding to the other party.
LivingEM: Without a mutual response between the two, the parties
LivingEM: merely withdraw from each other further apart than before
LivingEM: they tried to communicate.
LivingEM: A reasonable man is a peacemaker.
LivingEM: You cannot be reasonable without also being a listener.
LivingEM: To listen with one's physical ears, but to not hear,
LivingEM: does not make one a listener.
LivingEM: A true listener is one who "hears" what the other person is saying.
LivingEM: If both parties are "reasonable," there most likely will be a solution to the
LivingEM: problem.
LivingEM: Pride is the biggest deterrent to a solution.
LivingEM: One must enter into negotiations with a true desire to solve the
LivingEM: problem,
LivingEM: not a true desire to have their way,
LivingEM: if one is to have true hope for a solution
LivingEM: Concessions may be necessary.
LivingEM: All of life is a bargaining table.
LivingEM: It is worth every reasonable concession to have a righteous
LivingEM: peace, brethren.
LivingEM: May we all be peacemakers in Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: Any questions or comments tonight
LivingEM: May the Spirit of Communication and the Spirit of Reasonableness
LivingEM: in Christ Jesus, fall on you all.
LivingEM: May your walls of isolation and deafness fall down as the
LivingEM: walls of Jericho fell down.
LivingEM: May the energy of your mind pull together in Christ Jesus,
LivingEM: and may you learn how to focus on the issues.
LivingEM: May we all be reasonable men and peacemakers in Christ Jesus.
LivingEM: Amen and Amen.
LivingEM: God bless you all.
LivingEM: Goodnight.
