My Health and Belinda’s dream
From: Disciple
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004
To: Pastor Vitale
Subject: My health
XXXXXX: Dear Pastor, I’m still trying to hear from the Lord what He wants me to do concerning my health, no word.
Love, XXX
From: Pastor Vitale
To: Disciple
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004
Subject: RE: My health
PASTOR VITALE: I haven’t heard anything for you XXX. We are all still struggling, but hope that the catching up will soon deliver us.
Luv, Pastor Vitale
From: Disciple
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004
To: Pastor Vitale
Subject: Belinda’s dream
XXXXXXX: Dear Pastor, Thanks, I really hope so too. We were studying yesterday, where you were talking about the "race," and it was so clear and revelatory, it blessed me. It is very interesting that the race is all "about maturing in Christ Jesus before Satan can legally take our life" and that "Christ Jesus has to be powerful enough in our life at that time that Satan comes with a death warrant."
So please pray for me to be willing and able to face all the sins in my life (so that Christ in me can mature into Christ Jesus and impart life to me – I do not want to die), and also pray that I know how to ask for the POWER to change. You know, it just dawned on me as I was reading the transcript, where you said "...I want the power to correct it," that we need to have the power to change. There are certain things I’ve been struggling with in my life; I’ve realized they are there but find myself so powerless to change - maybe I’ve not asked for power, instead I just go into condemnation or want to do it in my strength! And it's all pride. So my prayer right now is Lord forgive and help me please.
love, XXX
PS My daughter Belinda has been having a series of recurrent dreams about me dying, within the past 1 month or so. She had to call me up from school - she's in boarding - on Saturday, very distressed, in tears, inconsolable. She had just had another such dream whilst taking her siesta in the afternoon. She said I was going to take a bath and called her from the bathroom because I needed assistance, was very weak. At first it was my late sister Edna's voice, but when she got there it was me, looking so tired and weak. Then I told her (in the dream) "Edna died in 1992, and my cancer came up in March." (In reality Edna died in 2001). In another dream she came home from school (midterm holidays) and the family was gathered solemnly, she asked for me, but no one wanted to break the news to her.
Yet another dream, she came home from school and my car (vehicle) was not there, and she was asking about me but no one wanted to tell her. In another dream, Tonia was telling her what I had told her whilst cooking in the kitchen before I died - that I smelt "orange gold" and that was the smell of heaven.
What do you make out of all this pastor, I would like to know.
Thanks a lot, love, XXX
PS If you remember, my first daughter, Lilia, dreamt about me dying too, that was over two years ago.
From: Pastor Vitale
To: Disciple
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004
Subject: RE: Belinda’s dream
PASTOR VITALE: Hi XXX
I believe you will die to your carnal mind, which event will affect your whole family, ergo, they are being told about it in advance by the Lord. See specific responses below
Luv, Pastor Vitale
From: Disciple
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:16 AM
To: Sheila Vitale
Subject: Re: Belinda’s dream
XXXXXXX: Dear Pastor, thanks, I really hope so too. We were studying yesterday, where you were talking about the "race," and it was so clear and revelatory, it blessed me. It is very interesting that the race is all "about maturing in Christ Jesus before Satan can legally take our life" and that "Christ Jesus has to be powerful enough in our life at that time that Satan comes with a death warrant."
So please pray for me to be willing and able to face all the sins in my life (so that Christ in me can mature into Christ Jesus and impart life to me - I do not want to die),
[Pastor Vitale says:] Amen
XXXXXXX: and also pray that I know how to ask for the POWER to change.
[Pastor Vitale says:] Just ask for the power to change J
XXXXXXX: You know, it just dawned on me as I was reading the transcript, where you said "...I want the power to correct it," that we need to have the power to change. There are certain things I’ve been struggling with in my life; I’ve realized they are there but find myself so powerless to change - maybe I’ve not asked for power, instead I just go into condemnation or want to do it in my strength! And it's all pride.
[Pastor Vitale says:] This is so common. It takes humility to recognize that we truly cannot do anything without the Lord, but especially, change our nature.
XXXXXXX: So my prayer right now is Lord forgive and help me please. Love, XXX
[Pastor Vitale says:] Amen – forgiven and help very near to you
XXXXXXX: PS My daughter Belinda has been having a series of recurrent dreams about me dying, within the past 1 month or so. She had to call me up from school - she's in boarding - on Saturday, very distressed, in tears, inconsolable.
[Pastor Vitale says:] So sorry to hear this
XXXXXXX: She had just had another such dream whilst taking her siesta in the afternoon. She said I was going to take a bath
[Pastor Vitale says:] Deliverance
XXXXXXX: and called her from the bathroom because I needed assistance, was very weak.
[Pastor Vitale says:] It is true that as we go through the trials that break our pride (we cannot do it ourselves), for a season, we become weak. This weakness can be likened to the weakness and dependency of a pregnant woman
XXXXXXX: At first it was my late sister Edna's voice, but when she got there it was me, looking so tired and weak.
[Pastor Vitale says:] Will reserve comment on Edna’s voice for now. Tired and weak, a sign of your spiritual labor
XXXXXXX: Then I told her (in the dream) "Edna died in 1992, and my cancer came up in March." (In reality Edna died in 2001)
[Pastor Vitale says:] How interesting! When I was in the hospital for 3 months in 1991, the Lord told me that the sons of God would manifest in 1992, but I now know that I misunderstood what the "manifestation of the sons of God" is. I thought that the "manifestation of the sons of God" was "full stature," sinlessness – full power and authority over all the power of the enemy. I now know that
1) the "manifestation of the sons of God" is a process that began in 1992, and that
2)"sonship" means the grafting, rooting and maturation of Christ in the individual.
Some sons will mature to full stature, and others will not.
Edna, prophetically, she died to her carnal mind when the offer of life was given to her in 1992 when I was in your country. She died physically thereafter, because she failed to enter into Christ, the city of refuge, where she could have lived safely until Leviathan, the Serpent’s insolent high priest, who seeks the death of everyone who embraces Christ, dies. (See, Joshua 20:1-6)
XXXXXXX: In another dream she came home from school (midterm holidays) and the family was gathered solemnly, she asked for me, but no one wanted to break the news to her. Yet another dream, she came home from school and my car (vehicle) was not there, and she was asking about me but no one wanted to tell her.
[Pastor Vitale says:] It seems to me that when your time comes, your service to the Lord will take you away from home and family to the extent that they perceive it as a great loss. I, personally, do not believe that you will be physically separated from them so much, but their carnal mind will experience the spiritual separation that will be created by your spiritual ascension and NEW LIFE as a great loss, because the family will no longer be # 1 in your life.
XXXXXXX: In another dream, Tonia
[Pastor Vitale says:] Please forgive me – is this the name of your son or your daughter J. If it is your son, the only male offspring, it could mean that Belinda (or she could represent all of your children), will be comforted by Christ.
XXXXXXX: was telling her what I had told her whilst cooking in the kitchen
[Pastor Vitale says:] Cooking in the kitchen signifies ministering the Word of the Lord
XXXXXXX: before I died
[Pastor Vitale says:] To your carnal mind
XXXXXXX: that I smelt "orange gold"
[Pastor Vitale says:] Off hand, I don’t know what the color orange means, but the orange is a very healthy fruit, and gold is deity
XXXXXXX: and that was the smell of heaven.
[Pastor Vitale says:] Heaven is Ze’ir Anpin (Christ Jesus)
XXXXXXX: What do you make out of all this, pastor, I would like to know.
Thanks a lot, love, XXX.
[Pastor Vitale says:] I believe the prophecy that you are the apostle to your country is coming to pass. It has already begun in that you are the only one there that is teaching apostolic doctrine. The second stage is Christ in you coming to the forefront in your life, covering your carnal mind and living His life and ministry through you.
Kenneth Copeland is saying publicly that the Lord told him that by the end of 2004 we will see the fullness of God, miracles like Jesus did, and that 2005 is the year of overflowing.
(Pastor Vitale says: Christ overflowing the carnal mind). This means that people will be open to the doctrine of Christ (when their carnal mind is overshadowed). There will be a lot of work to do.
God bless you.
XXXXXXX: PS If you remember, my first daughter, Lilia dreamt about me dying too, that was over two years ago.
From: Disciple
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004
To: Pastor Vitale
Subject: Re: Belinda’s dream
XXXXXXX: Dear Pastor, Wow!! I thank you so much for the uplifting words and dream interpretation. This is something, really something! I say AMEN to the death of my carnal mind! You know, I actually thought I might die physically!
Praise God, I see it now, that the loss to my family is not as a result of death but that "my service to the Lord will take me away from home and family to the extent that they perceive it as a great loss, and that it is more of a spiritual separation that will be created by my spiritual ascension and NEW LIFE because the family will no longer be # 1 in my life." Wow!!
Another thing that is really very exciting is the obvious closeness of the catching up.
And the fact that the manifestation of the sons of God commenced in 1992, very interesting (the prophecy concerning my ministry that came up at Port Jeff was in 1992, during my first trip to NY!) Incidentally you first met Edna in 1993 not 1992.
Could Edna be representing "the firstborn" which is what she was in life, and would that be the carnal mind? Therefore the carnal mind died prophetically in 1992 with the "manifestation of the sons of God", or the grafting of Christ to individuals!
Tonia is the "last born" (Tonie is my male son - I know it's confusing <G>), would that be "Christ"? That follows then, Christ comforting them, wow!
You know, I even tie the dream about Tonie having Christ grafted (Dream about lice) to what you said here, that there will come a time when people will be more open to the doctrine of Christ, Praise God:
Kenneth Copeland is saying publicly that the Lord told him that by the end of 2004 we will see the fullness of God, miracles like Jesus did, and that 2005 is the year of overflowing (Pastor Vitale says: Christ overflowing the carnal mind). This means that people will be open to the doctrine of Christ (when their carnal mind is overshadowed).
XXXXXXX: Thank you once again, love, XXX
Addendum:
Lilia’s Dream
Email to Pastor Vitale, 30th March 2002
Lilia had a nightmare dream a while ago. She dreamt that I (her mum) died, and she was grieving, saying she really misses her mum. Then I appear (with someone) and she is very alarmed, saying but I’m supposed to be dead!
Pastor Vitale’s interpretation, 1st April 2002
This dream sounds like your resurrection, Hallelujah.
Dream about lice
From: Disciple
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004
To: Pastor Vitale
Subject: Dream about lice
Dear Pastor, a couple of weeks ago I had been praying for Tonie my son. We were worried about him. Then I had a dream about him. He had lice. When I woke up I was worried and confused. Anyway I forgot all about it until today. I was scrolling down through past emails, looking for something and came across this email where you taught on "lice" (Praise God!) based on the scripture which says that "lice" was the only plague that the Egyptian magicians could not duplicate.
"The spiritual significance of the lice is that they signify the seed of Christ that will eventually be grafted to the many members of humanity, to raise them from the dead. This is a plague only from the point of view of the carnal mind. From the point of view of the mind of Christ, the grafting of the seed of Christ is a life-saving blessing.
From: Pastor Vitale
To: Disciple
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004
Subject: RE: Dream about lice
Hallelujah!
Luv, Pastor Vitale
