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Consciousness After Physical Death And Other Questions
"CONSCIOUSNESS AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH & OTHER QUESTIONS"
Hi Pastor Sheila:
Q. My daughter had found a book of mine that a friend of hers also has, called "A Divine Revelation of Hell"... I bought this book about 3 years ago and put it up in the attic with other books I have. Anyway, the book is a series of chapters about visions this woman had when Jesus took her into the bowels of hell, and she writes on what she experienced, the darkness, the fires, the smells, groans and torments. I really don't want xxxxx reading the book because in my heart of hearts I believe that this isn't a place that unbelievers will go to after death. I believe that if she reads this book that it will create a false impression within her and much fear.
PASTOR SHEILA: I fully understand how you feel about your daughter not ingesting these frightening images. But you do have a problem, since her father is teaching her this "religion." All that you can do is pray, and ask the Lord to move in this situation. Hopefully, your daughter will ask you questions which will give you an opportunity to present your views.
I have read xxxxx's response to you, which is reproduced below, and find it very accurate. Any corrections or additions that I have to what xxxxx has said, will appear in block capital letters.
Answer from disciple:
Hi xxxxx:
I'll give you my views, but to really get some answers you probably will have to ask Pastor Sheila about it. I've heard of people having these experiences over the years. Since I don't believe in a literal hell, since the Bible doesn't teach there is a literal hell in a geographical place, and since we have learned that this world is hell (I suppose we could call this world a geographical place, but it will not last for an eternity or forever), the place of darkness, tormenting fire, groans and so on, I think that Jesus did not take those people any place. I believe it was an imagination of their own minds, the carnal mind. Even more than that, it could be the place where a person eventually arrives after ascending in the counterfeit time line. Pastor Sheila has taught that those who ascend in the counterfeit time line will eventually be totally controlled by Satan and she (Satan) will call in her marker and cause the person in her bondage great torment. Now, that could be the hell that is torment, but it is not a literal place as the church teaches, that you go to after death. The church doesn't even know about or believe there is a false ascension in the Serpent's time line. Also, for consideration is the fact that a person could have ascended temporarily into the astral plane where the evil disembodied spirits are. I have heard preachers tell of such incidents where Jesus took them into hell so they could be impressed with how evil it is and how tormenting it is. Now, they may have ascended (descended) into one of the above possibilities, but I find it hard to believe that Jesus would have taken them there without teaching them the truth about it, i.e., that there is no literal hell as the church teaches it but an ascension into the false, counterfeit time line. These are just my thoughts as I've heard Sheila's teaching over the past 3-4 years.
Q. Pastor Sheila, I haven't taught xxxxx anything about the Doctrine of Christ, and any type of mention I make about it gets immediately cut off by my husband, but I do feel a need to protect her from false doctrine and things that may give her nightmares for no reason.
PASTOR SHEILA: xxxxx, YOU SHOULD NOT STRIVE WITH YOUR HUSBAND. IF YOU GIVE THE MATTER OVER TO JESUS, xxxxx WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER HER. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD REMAIN PASSIVE, BUT YOU SHOULD SILENTLY REBUKE FALSE DOCTRINE, WITCHCRAFT, ANTI-CHRIST AND PRIDE, EVERY TIME THE ISSUE ARISES.
Answer from disciple:
This is a tough one. I really have a problem myself with where the physical husband's authority ends and the Truth of Jesus Christ begins in dealing with family. Now, my children are grown and not living in my house so I feel free to tell them anything they want to know. They are free to choose the truth or not choose it. As for a minor child, I really don't have any answer to that. I would recommend you ask Pastor Sheila about this one for sure.
Q. How would you explain what happens to us after death,
PASTOR SHEILA: TO PUT IT SIMPLY, IT IS THE PERSONALITY (SOUL) THAT IS BEING SAVED, WHICH SALVATION OCCURS WHEN THE PERSONALITY IS FULLY JOINED TO BOTH THE INDWELLING CHRIST JESUS, AND THE GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST. FIRST CHRIST MUST BE GRAFTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND INCREASE INTO CHRIST JESUS. THEN THE PERSONALITY MUST MARRY THE INDWELLING CHRIST JESUS, AND ASCEND INTO THE HEART ENERGY CENTER, THE PLACE FROM WHERE THE PERSONALITY IS CAUGHT UP INTO THE BROW ENERGY CENTER WITH CHRIST JESUS, WHO REUNITES WITH HIS FATHER, THE GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST, AND FOREVER THE PERSONALITY SHALL BE WITH THE LORD.
Q. Could the woman who wrote the book possibly have had these revelations?
PASTOR SHEILA: YES, I AM SURE THAT SHE HAD THESE REVELATIONS.
Q. I went over this in my mind, praying and asking the Lord if he would do something like this, and I didn't get any answer.
PASTOR SHEILA: I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
Q. I also asked if there was a possibility of Satan showing her these visions, but it didn't make sense - if she was the author of these visions, it would push people more towards God and that doesn't sound like something Satan would do.
PASTOR SHEILA: VISIONS SUCH AS THESE WOULD ONLY PUSH PEOPLE TOWARDS A FALSE JESUS, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM FOR SATAN, BECAUSE THE FALSE JESUS IS STILL IN THE SERPENT'S TIME-LINE.
Answer from disciple:
What really seems to be the truth of what happens to us after death is very complex, at least to my mind. Especially when someone has been taught that all you have to do is "accept" Jesus and you will go to heaven when you die. It really takes away their false hope of "going to heaven" without any warfare on their part. In my case, I do say things to close people like my sister, etc., that this world is hell, and this is where we make the choices that will take us to heaven (the ascension into Jesus' time-line), but a younger child might not understand all of this. Again, I would certainly have to defer to Pastor Sheila. For my own self, I have accepted the fact that there is no heaven that I am going to go to when I die. We must know the Truth, obey the Lord in all respects, and ascend in the Lord's time-line while still alive. I have to say that I really don't know how to approach this to other people who are not pressing me for the truth.
Q. Anyway, I do appreciate your time, I guess I'm having some problems reconciling the literal words of the Bible, and the spiritual application that Pastor Sheila teaches. I understand about Christ going on after we die, and the personalities of who WE are will cease to exist, but as for those who died before us, who weren't privileged to be of the generation of the manifestation of the sons of God, I'm a bit confused about that. I know it's probably just pride - and I've rebuked it in myself, but I tend to wonder about the others who didn't have the chance to do what we are doing now.
PASTOR SHEILA: YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS THINKING IS THE PRIDE OF THE CARNAL MIND. THE TRUTH IS THAT BOTH THE PERSONALITIES OF THE PAST, AND THE PERSONALITIES THAT WE ARE TODAY, ARE TEMPORARY FORMATIONS OF THE SPIRITUAL CLAY THAT FORMS THE CREATION. THIS MEANS, IF YOU CAN HEAR IT, THAT THE PERSONALITIES WHO EXISTED IN THE PAST, EXIST TODAY IN THE PRESENT FORMATIONS OF THE SPIRITUAL CLAY, WHICH WE ARE.
Answer from disciple:
I've discussed this with the group here many times, and some of it is not easy to understand. Especially about the Old and New Testament people who followed the Lord, not being a part of the manifestation of the Sons of God. Although, I think Pastor Sheila teaches that they really are a part because all of the experiences of Christ that was in them went on to Jesus, and He has made available all of that to us through His Life.
PASTOR SHEILA: THIS IS CORRECT.
HEB 11:39-12:1
39. AND THESE ALL, HAVING OBTAINED A GOOD REPORT THROUGH FAITH, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE:
40. GOD HAVING PROVIDED SOME BETTER THING FOR US, THAT THEY WITHOUT US SHOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT. KJV
Answer from disciple:
I do recall Paul writing that he was born out of season. I believe that "out of season" means he was born and died before it was the time of the manifestation of the Sons of God. One of the questions we wrestle here with is why would our personalities be saved and when others aren't. Is that just our privilege because the time is right or we have the revelation or what? We don't really know the answer to that. Perhaps Pastor Sheila can answer that one too.
PASTOR SHEILA: OUR SALVATION HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT WE CAN OFFER, SUCH AS "HAVING REVELATION." AS I SAID ABOVE, THE PERSONALITIES THAT THE SPIRITUAL CLAY IS FORMED INTO AT THE TIME THAT CHRIST JESUS OVERCOMES SATAN AND LEVIATHAN, ARE THE FINAL PRODUCT OF MANY FORMATIONS OF THE SPIRITUAL CLAY WHICH ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE QUALITIES THAT ADAM/CHRIST JESUS HAS WORKED INTO THE SPIRITUAL CLAY OVER THE GENERATIONS. WE ALL STAND TOGETHER.
Q. I remember Pastor Sheila saying something to the fact that Christ is appearing in stages, and before we were that Christ was maturing. So, the ones that appeared in life before us passed on Christ to future generations. I'm trying, but it's hard to imagine...
PASTOR SHEILA: YES, THIS IS TRUE.
Answer from disciple:
Yes, as stated above, that is hard for us here too. I have difficulty fully understanding a lot of the Doctrine of Christ, but at this point I am just taking it on faith. I think my mind is not really able to understand it all at this point. So many details I can't put together. I've decided to do the best I can to learn and to grow and to distinguish the Christ mind from the carnal mind ~ after all what else is there? But I do know also that none of us have any assurances that we will make it. The work we are doing may be passed on to our descendants. I had a word from the Lord some time ago that said, "You will live to 100." Pastor Sheila interpreted this to mean that I would live to the brow (6th) energy center. But, of course, did it literally mean ME or some one of my family? I don't know, but I hope it is me so that I can be here to help them when I do reach the brow center.
Q. Thanks again, xxxxx - no rush, I know it's the Lord's day, so whenever you have a chance, if you could help me out. Maybe there's a tape you could point me to or a transcript -- whatever helps!!
Answer from disciple:
I can't recall any specific tape at the moment that would answer your questions. Most of the messages have some of the info you are looking for.
xxxxx, I would ask Pastor Sheila these questions if you feel to do it. I know how important it is to know these things or at least have some peace about the issues. I pray the Lord will help you, and all of us, to understand to the place of peace and give us understanding that we might be able to handle the day-to-day issues of family and the nitty-gritty details that constantly come up that we need to understand in order to make wise decisions in Christ.
I really wish I could be more help to you. I know you already know what I've written above. I just want you to know that I understand how you feel, but I feel my answers are not specific enough for you in this case since you are dealing with a real situation (your daughter) at this time.
In our group here, we have pretty much accepted the Doctrine of Christ as Pastor Sheila teaches it, as we are aware that it is not doctrine that saves us but UNION with the Lord Jesus Christ. So, doctrine if it is not entirely correct, if we are truly seeking to know the Lord, is not going to do us great harm. The Lord knows our heart. I have to depend on that or I would constantly be worried about it since the doctrine does change as Pastor Sheila grows and is able to understand more and more.
PASTOR SHEILA: THE ONLY PART OF THE PERSONALITY THAT GOES ON IS THE FIERY SERPENT,
OUR IMMORTAL SOUL, BUT THE PART OF US THAT WE KNOW TO BE OURSELVES, THE FEMALE SIDE OF THE PERSONALITY WHICH WE ARE (THE FIERY SERPENT IS THE MALE SIDE OF THE PERSONALITY), DISSOLVES. THE FIERY SERPENT IS THE "WORM" THAT JESUS TALKS ABOUT SAYING, "THE WORM DIETH NOT".... I TALK ABOUT THIS ON OUR LATEST MESSAGE, SYNAGOGUE, TEMPLE, ETC., PART 2.
Q. Last question, I remember reading about the manifestation of the sons of God in a book by G. R. Hawtin and also Bill Britton that talks a lot about the sons of God...that this is the time in the lord's plan of salvation for the Sons to be revealed. Would any of the Christian people for centuries who had Christ formed in them to some degree be able to partake of this great time? I constantly ask myself why I have been privileged to be part of a time in God's great plan to be a possible son, or to be a witness to the appearance of the Sons of God, when others who toiled and labored much harder than I do will not have the chance. Is it just because we were chosen to be born into this time?
PASTOR SHEILA: I ANSWERED PREVIOUSLY.
Q. The books I have read about the manifestations of the sons talk about doing all we can to enter into the kingdom, but I don't see much talk from Bill Britton about confession and repentance, though he does talk about righteousness being our goal. Did Bill actually have a revelation of the Doctrine of Christ?
PASTOR SHEILA: I DON'T KNOW.
Q. Many of his documents seem to be right on the edge. He talks about leaning on the Spirit for help in doctrine, yet you teach there is a difference between the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ. I believe you said that the Holy Spirit is not the Truth, but points us to the Truth who is Christ. Can the Holy Spirit enlighten scripture?
PASTOR SHEILA: NO. THE SPIRIT OF REVELATION IS AN ADMINISTRATION OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.
Q. I searched through transcripts I had printed here as well as others online, but wasn't finding something simple enough to explain to xxxxx -she needs the basic doctrine, what heaven and hell is, where you go when you die, confession and repentance. Thank you for your help.
PASTOR SHEILA: HEAVEN IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, AND HELL IS THE CARNAL MIND. I KNOW OF NO EASY WAY TO EXPLAIN TO ANY THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE DIE. HAVE YOU SEEN MARY'S "DOCTRINE OF CHRIST FOR CHILDREN" ON THE LIBRARY PAGE?
Pastor Sheila
