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This is part 7 of Romans Chapter 8. I am going to read you the Alternate Translations of verses 31 through 36, and as I have explained to you before, sometimes as I review my notes and prepare for the next message, I make additional changes to the Alternate Translations. Why? Because the Holy Spirit speaks to me, and I realize something, or I get a measure of revelation that I -- or understanding that I did not have earlier. Sometimes I change the grammar; sometimes I change a couple words that will make the idea flow more smoothly; I put it in better English. So I am telling you before I read these Alternate Translations, that I did further amplify verse 36, and what I did was, I reversed the first phrase with the second phrase of that Alternate Translation. I put the second phrase first and the first phrase second, and I also amplified the phrase "for Your sake." Now, this -- these words, for your sake are a parable because we do not really know what that means. What does it mean to say we have done something for God's sake? What does that mean? It means for God's purposes. And what is God's purposes in the earth? Anybody want to take a shot at that? What is God's ultimate purpose in the earth?
To appear, OK, please, let me remind you whoever is going to be speaking to you to use the microphone. To appear by His Christ. It is God's purpose to bring forth His Son in the earth of humanity, so I want to suggest to you that the phrase "for God's sake" is a parable, that if you do not have this revelation, that -- "for God's sake" or "for God's purpose" it means to bring forth Christ, these words mean nothing to you. So I changed the words "for God's sake" in verse 36, and I put in the -- I broke the code; I put in the words, what it really means, and I changed it to say that the reason this is happening is that Christ can appear in the earth. Is everybody OK? Everybody know what I am talking about? You know what I am talking about?
OK, so I will now read you the Alternate Translations, verses 31 through 36. "Who then" -- now these are all Alternate Translations, brethren, verses 31 and 32 together. "Who then can command these eunuchs other than the living God, who alone is our head, even the one who did not try to save His Son from death but rather handed Him over so that we could all be rescued from Hell, and how is it possible then that this double portion of the love of God shall not also pardon the rest of humanity?"
Verses 33 and 34 together. "And who shall be able to accuse those whom the Lord Jesus Christ is declaring to be righteous and chosen to be God? Since the mind of Christ although having died at the time of the fall is now raised from the dead, and who is indeed the power source of the second generation of Christ, which also intercedes for us?"
Verse 35. "And what shall be able to separate us from the mind of Christ, pressure or affliction, lack of satisfaction in our emotions, persecution, lack of support from other sons, the immaturity of the armor of light, Satan or the carnal mind?" No, brethren, none of these, because" -- this is the reason we cannot be separated from the mind of Christ, "because it is written in the Psalms that the souls of the sons" -- that is us -- "are a sheep destined for slaughter."
So all of these wickednesses that is coming against us, it is in God's plans. We are told in Psalm 44 that our souls are supposed to be slaughtered and that our carnal minds are to be made extinct; they are to be wiped out so that -- not for your sake -- OK, the King James says for your sake, but I say, so that your Christ can appear in our human spirits, oh, Lord. It is called amplification. There is a whole Bible called the Amplified Bible. We are opening the locks of the parables. Brethren, if you are a part of this ministry in any manner, shape or form, you are a part of spiritual history being made. Secrets that have been locked up from the foundation of earth are being made available in this hour, very exciting.
So once again we find out that whatever harm may appear to come to us, and I say appear to come to us, it just looks like we are being hurt, the Lord is using it to harm or kill our carnal mind, and the soul, which is our old man, so that Christ can appear in us. So, therefore, brethren, love your enemies, and pray for those who despitefully use you because they are messages of God unto you, to crucify your carnal mind and slaughter your wicked soul which is causing you to think and do evil deeds so that Christ can rise out of the death or the spiritual manure of this existence that you were born into. There is no bad thing that can hurt you, the real you, which is Christ, can hurt your soul, can hurt your feelings, can hurt your mind, but there is no wickedness that can come upon you which can hurt the Christ which is arising in you. What a glorious message.
I want to tell you, I could not make it through without this message. I want to tell you, I do not believe that I could bear the grief that I grow through without the understanding that it is necessary for Christ to appear in me because you all know my testimony when I went into the hospital and I thought that God had turned me over. I was so devastated I was suicidal because I did not have this revelation. I thought that He decided I was not worth saving, and I had given Him everything that I could humanly give to my God, and I thought He was not pleased with me, so I could not go on without this revelation that every bad thing that happens to me is killing my reprobate soul, and my reprobate carnal mind so that Christ can appear and ascend in me and give me eternal life. Life is too painful.
How could you -- if you do not have this revelation, brethren, how could you believe in your God? How could you believe in God without this revelation? And in fact, the church world frequently condemns people with much trouble. They say there must be something wrong in your life for all these problems to continuously fall upon you. I could not make it without this revelation, so when I feel pain, when there is pain in my emotions, there is pain in my heart, when there is disappointment in my soul, I just know that I need to confess that as sin and ask God to raise me up and ask Him to accomplish His purposes in me.
Brethren, I have not come this far to give up now, and I have gone boldly before the throne of God saying, "I want this Christ to appear in me. You have made me a promise. I have believed your promise. I have fought this war; I have lost close to everything in my life, real close to everything, and You told me that if I lose these things in this life, that I will receive a hundredfold with persecution. Now I got the persecution; I want the hundredfold. "I talk to God like that. I want it. I want the whole thing. I want dominion over this wickedness that tortures me. I want the ability to raise people from the dead, not physically, but to raise Christ from the dead in them so that they can have eternal life. I want to travel in the Spirit. I want all the promises. My Father told me I will speak many languages without studying them intellectually. I want all the glory of the life in His Spirit. I want complete union with Christ and everything that that brings me, most of which that I cannot even imagine. I am enduring the labor that has been going on for years. I want the baby and everything that comes in Him. And if I am not going to get it, I want to know why. I say to the Lord, "If You are not going to give it to me, at the very least, I am entitled to an explanation as to why not." That is how I pray. Jesus.
Continuing with Romans 8:37. "Nay in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us." The Greek word translated "nay" is Strong's 235, and it can also be translated "therefore." Excuse me. Him that loved us is Strong's 25, and it is a form of the word which we know as agape love. Now there is a song that sings about Jesus being the lover of our soul. You know, one day I looked for that in the Scripture. I could not find it in the Scripture under that exact translation, but here it is; the one who loved us, OK, comes out of the word agape, and it appears in Romans 8. He is the lover of our soul, OK. And he is sing- -- who is the lover of our soul? Brethren, the lover of our soul is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is the word of God. He is the seed which brings forth the Son. We are marrying the Son, the Son of God, the one that is growing out of the earth of our soul; He is the second generation of Christ; His name is Christ Jesus; He is the lover of our soul; He is arising out of our human spirit, and when He is old enough, He will marry our soul, so Him that loved us is the Lord Jesus Christ. Now, listen again, I am going to say it again, He is being raised from the dead. In His death condition, Christ, in his dead condition, has a na- -- a different name. What is his name, in our humanity, in His dead condition?
The human spirit.
The human spirit. When He is dead, He is the human spirit. When He is raised from the dead, His name once again becomes Christ, and because He is the offspring of the Lord Jesus Christ, His name is Christ Jesus, so He is growing out of our spirit, being raised up out of our spirit, and when He is mature enough, He will marry or join with our soul, and that is how we will become a new creature. We become a new creature when we get a new mind because there is -- the living soul is married to the mind which is within her. And right now, humanity is married to which mind?
[INAUDIBLE] the carnal mind.
To the carnal mind, yes. And we are an o- -- the old man; we are reprobate; we are fallen. Now we are not getting a new soul. We are getting a new mind, and when Christ arises in a full maturity, in which He is strong enough to crucify the carnal mind, Christ will then possess His possession which is what? This living soul, and the living soul shall be a renewed soul because she has a new mind. Same soul. When the mind in her is carnal, she is dead. When the mind in her is Christ, she is alive. And to express this difference, the Scripture calls us the old me or the new me or the inner man or the outer man, but the truth is there is just one soul which -- whose nature changes depending on the mind within her. Praise God.
So therefore, "in all these things, we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us." "Conquerors" is Strong's 5245. Now, first of all, the Greek word translated "conquerors" is not a noun; it is a verb. The Interlinear text translates it to overconqueror. I guess I wrote that wrong, to over conquer. Well, the Interlinear text translates it as a noun also, overconqueror. But it al- -- but it -- actually in the Greek it is a verb, and it comes from Strong's 3528 which is translated "overcome," and means -- and this word translated conqueror, it means more than to overcome. It means to surpass overcoming, to go beyond overcoming, so that is to say, not only one who overcomes an enemy but one that completely defeats that enemy after he overcomes him.
So I have a little word study for you to help you understand this a little better. Webster says that the word conqueror means to gain or acquire by force of arms, by mental or moral power, and it also can be t- -- can be defined as to subjugate. Now that word sounded very familiar to me; we came across it right here in Romans 8, I think, in verses 21 or 22 when we read that our hope is that Christ will arise and subjugate the one who has subjugated humanity, who is Satan. Are you all with me?
OK, so I found -- that word just jumped right out at me. I looked up the word subjugate in Webster. Subjugate, according to Webster, means to bring under the yoke, to force to submit, to control and governance. Now let me remind you that Satan is in the process of being forced to submit to the control and the government of who?
Of Christ, in the individual. Brethren, Satan is being forced. Do not give me this junk that Christ is a gentleman. Satan is a wild, raging beast. He is the unconscious mind of fallen man; he is our unconscious mind, and there is no way he is about to turn our bodies and our souls over to the Lord Jesus Christ, so the Lord Jesus Christ, through His Son, Christ Jesus, in each individual is forcing Satan down underneath the authority of Christ, forcing Him to submit, and there is a name for this, a common name. Does anybody know what it is, what this procedure is called?
No, that is a good guess.
No, no. It is an event. It is an event. The tribulation. If you look up that word tribulation in the Greek, it means to force into a narrow place; it means to vex and harass until one is forced into a narrow place. Right now Satan is enlarged; he is out from under; he can do anything he wants in this world, but he is being forced under the authority of Christ right now in the individual believer. And it is difficult, and it is painful, and for all intents and purposes, we are Satan, so we are in tribulation; we are in travail. But when Satan is forced down under and Christ becomes our new mind, we shall become a new creature; we are Satan now, but we shall be a new creature. We are being changed, brethren. We are being given a new name. We are being given a new nature, and that is why it hurts. The clay of our life is being reformed. The nature of Satan is engraved in our soul, and it is being changed. We are being rubbed and Brilloed and sanded, and that old nature is leaving us so that we can receive the nature of our new husband, Christ.
So subjugate means to bring under control, to bring into servitude, to enslave. Webster says overcome means to get the better of, to overpower, to be superior to, and Webster also says that the word superior means to be of higher rack, quality or importance. So we see that to overcome means merely to attain to a higher rank than your enemy, but to conquer means to use that higher rank to enslave the enemy. You see, we could attain to a higher rank and that enemy could be afraid of us and just leave us alone, and we can both go in our own directions; that is called overcoming. But to conquer means to not only rise up above you but use that strength to turn around and kill your enemy. There is a difference.
So I suggest to you that to overcome is referring to the first stage of resurrection, which is what? Who knows what first stage of resurrection means?
Full stature, excellent. And that to conquer is referring to the second and third stages of resurrection. And the second stage of the resurrection, anybody?
That is the third stage. Anybody know what the second stage is? Circum- --
OK, circumcision of the carnal mind. The second stage is the circumcision of the carnal mind, where by the mind of Christ cuts through. I guess that is what you just said, cuts through the carnal mind; it puts Him under foot, and then the third stage of the resurrection, Christ kills the one that He has put under foot, so we see in the words "overcome" and "conquer," we find the three stages of the resurrection. It is everywhere, but the words -- it is a parable. You have to look for it; you have to dig for it like it is gold ore; it is everywhere. If you have an open heart, if you have a heart that is open to the truth, it is everywhere; it is through the whole Bible; the message is everywhere, and what is that message? The ascendency of Christ and the death destruction and the ultimate crucifixion of the carnal mind which is killing us. Hallelujah. That is the gospel of God, brethren, God's purposes for humanity.
So, when we -- when I wrote up the Alternate Translation, I chose to use the word defeat instead of conquer because as I read the Alternate Translation, it seemed to me to clarify this idea, in view of the context of the whole verse and the surrounding verses, instead of the word conquer, which means -- this is not only overcome but to kill, I am using the word to defeat. To me conquer is not clear enough.
Alternate translation, Romans 8:37, "Therefore, we are able to defeat all these troubles as Christ Jesus is being formed in our spirit and joining with our soul."
"Therefore, we are able" -- why therefore? Because Christ Jesus is being formed in us. "Therefore, we are able to defeat all these troubles as Christ Jesus is being formed in our spirit and joining with our soul."
He is the power source by which we first overcome and then conquer, defeat, kill, utterly destroy thus the reality of the Scripture which says "and Satan is ashes under your feet." Brethren, have you ever been in a church where they tell everybody to stand up and move their heel around so that they can crush Satan under their heel? God forgive us; I do not mind to mock anybody, but, brethren, this nonsense has got to stop, and I have got to expose it; God has called me to expose it. Brethren, you cannot crush Satan to ashes under your natural foot; it is the feet of Christ which is spiritual which will crush Satan under his feet and make him ashes, and Satan is spiritual. You have got to get spiritual feet; you have heard of land legs; you have heard of sea legs. Why not spiritual legs? Wake up; wake up; wake up.
Continuing with Romans 8:38, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present nor things to come" -- and that is half a sentence. I will just read you the whole thing. "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Glory to God.
For I am persuaded, Strong's 3982, it means to have confidence. I have confidence that neither death nor life can separate me from God. You may recall there are three Greek words translated death; this is the Greek word translated -- or the -- I am sorry. The Greek word thanatos is Strong's 2288, and this word refers to -- it could mean the death of the body; it also could mean the power of death; it also can be translated -- and is in fact translated the death of this existence. This whole existence is death; our soul is death; our mind -- our carnal mind is death. And this Greek word thanatos is used to express any of those concepts, so let us try and understand what Paul is saying here.
Now, the church will teach you and tradition will teach you that the death of this body cannot separate you from God because you are going to Heaven, and you are going to walk on streets of gold, but, brethren, we know that everything that God is doing, He is doing in the flesh, and when this flesh dies, our human spirit returns to God but without any consciousness. Our substance returns to God but without any consciousness, so in view of that revelation, if that revelation is true, for Paul to say that death cannot separate me from the love of God, is it -- it must -- there must be something more intended here than the death of the body. So let me suggest to you that he is speaking about the death of this existence or the power of death, the power to keep us bound down here in Hell. But even more than that, remember that Christ is being formed within the carnal mind, and Christ, after He stands up in full stature, His next stage of resurrection is to cut through that carnal mind. Now the carnal mind is death. Now Christ -- [?now?] remember -- now, listen, Christ is growing or ascending out of our human spirit, and when He is mature, He is going to marry our soul. Brethren, the salvation of our soul is in childbearing. We must join with that Christ for our soul to receive life. OK, now our soul is being separated from the life giver by the carnal mind. The carnal mind is standing between our soul and the one who can give us life.
So Paul says, that death, the carnal mind, cannot separate us from the lover of our soul. He cannot separate us; he cannot prevent us from marrying the Christ who is coming forth in our soul. So what does that mean? If the carnal mind is between Christ and our soul, Christ has got to get that carnal mind out of the way. He has got to kill him, so Paul is saying that Christ is strong enough to kill the carnal mind who, at this point, temporarily, is separating us from our husband. Now, remember, at the beginning of time, the carnal mind killed the immature Christ. Paul is saying in these last few verses -- we talked about this in the last message too and probably the me- -- the last few verses. It was the last message and the message before.
Paul is speaking about the great mystery that Christ died at the b- -- at the time of the fall. He is not talking about the Lord Jesus Christ here. He is talking about the mind, which was in the Lord Jesus Christ, and because the man Jesus had a mind which was Christ, He could legally say I am Jesus the Christ because His mind was Christ. So that mind existed before the man Jesus ever existed. Did not Jesus say, "Before Abraham was I am"? Now, come on, brethren, everybody knows that the man Jesus of Nazareth did not exist before Abraham. What was that man talking about? What he was talking about was -- what He was saying was, "I am not this body; I am not this flesh; I am Spirit that is hidden behind this veil of the flesh, and My true nature, which is Christ, was before Abraham." Does anybody not know what I am talking about? This is urgently important, urgently important. This flesh is nothing. This personality is nothing. But the Spirit, the Christ of God which is hidden behind your flesh and your personality, before Abraham was, He is. Jesus. I feel like I am going to take off. Hallelujah.
Glory to God. So what Paul saying is in parable form here is that the very Christ is in you, and He is separated from your personality by the carnal mind, which killed Him at the beginning of time. But this very Christ that was killed by the carnal mind at the time of the fall, He has been raised from the dead, and my bible says Christ raised from the dead, dieth no more. He is raised in a mature condition; He is raised up from seed, and He will not be killed by the carnal mind again. That is what Paul is saying, not the death of this body. He is saying this carnal mind cannot kill Christ this time around. And even though right now you look into your condition and the life giver is separated from your soul by the carnal mind, do not worry. It is not going to happen, what happened at the time before. Christ is going to crucify this thing because nothing, not even death can keep your soul from the one who loves you.
And in that union when Christ crucifies that carnal mind and joins with your soul, in that union is life to your personality, which right now is nothing, but when it joins with Christ, it becomes something. We are all nothing, but as Christ is revealed through us, we become something. Of ourselves, we are nothing, but because Christ is manifesting through us, because we are the flesh of Christ, we are something. So that means everything that comes out of your mouth, everything that comes out of your mind, everything that is a result of your life which is not of Christ, you are nothing. It is nothing. It is dung. Every thought that comes from Christ, every word that is spoken from Christ, every deed that is done in obedience to Christ is something, and that makes you something. I do not care what you accomplish according to the ways of this world; it cannot make you something. You are nothing until Christ begins to manifest through your person. The glory of this world is going to disappear, is coming down in a crash, is worthless.
So Paul said he is confident that neither death nor life can separate us from the lover of our soul or from the marriage to Christ. Well, now why would life want to separate us from Christ? That stumped me for a while, and when I prayed about it, I am going to share with you what the Lord told me. You are always free to disagree with me, brethren. I just ask that you have an open mind and pray about it, OK?
So this word life, it is the Greek word zōḗ and most of the time that it appears in the Greek, it is used to describe the life of God. This -- what we are experiencing now is not life, it is an existence; it is not life. So every time this word zōḗ appears with one or two exceptions, it is speaking about the life of God, and it is talking about eternal life, everlasting life. But the few instances where it is not speaking about eternal life, it is speaking about, I suggest to you -- you may have to pray about this. I suggest to you, it is speaking about this existence for a human being whose life influenced strongly by Christ. Now there is another Greek word that talks about this lifetime, this existence and sometimes it is translated lifetime; it is the Greek word bios, and it is referring in general to the lifetime of this existence of any human being, but when the Greek word zōḗ is applied to a limited lifetime of a human being, I suggest to you it is spea- -- it is differentiating from bios to indicate specifically that this human being is living their life in obedience to and under the guidance of either the Holy Ghost or Christ Himself.
So when the Scripture says that even life cannot separate us from the love of God, I want to suggest to you that Paul is telling us in a parable form that even people whose lives are strongly directed and influenced by Christ still manifest the carnal mind from time to time, still do wickedness from time to time, still think evil from time to time and are still capable of trying to separate or hinder Christ from coming forth, the strongest believers you could ever meet still have that potential to work against God's purposes because sin is still operating in their life.
So let us go on. I will pull this together as I go on. I am confident that neither death, neither the carnal mind or neither -- well, I am going to expand that. I am going to say, carnally minded men, you know. The carnal mind cannot stop you, neither can men who are given over to the carnal mind stop you, nor can life stop you from joining -- from marrying your lover, neither can people who are living their life under the influence of the Holy Ghost or even Christ. And when their wickedness arises, that can stop you either.
Now, why would Paul say that? Brethren, let me tell you something. When believers pray ungodly prayers, they have power. You have power to pray ungodly prayers, which is witchcraft, in direct proportion to the power that you have in Christ; it is the same power. If you misuse your power that you have received in Christ, it is witchcraft, but it is the same measure of power. I know someone who was laboring in Christ for years and then turned over, and that person prays powerful witchcraft prayers. He has become a witch because he transferred the power that he received in Christ to use for ungodly purposes.
So I want to suggest to you -- you do not have to believe me if you do not want to, that when Paul says neither death nor life can separate us from the love of God, that he is saying our carnal minds cannot separate us nor can carnal-minded people separate us nor can human beings who are very devoted and under the influence of Christ. When they -- when their wickedness arises in them, neither can they separate us or stop us from marrying God.
Brethren, from my early days in the church, I had a call to -- I had a call to a walk that called great persecution down on me from the very, very beginning. Well, it may be six months after I came to the Lord. I was called into a deliverance church. They came out of the woodwork; Christians came out of the woodwork to tell me not to go to that ministry. What I am preaching now -- well, we all know. Christians come out of the woodwork telling us it is not God, telling us not to do what God tells us to do. Christians can be a big hindrance to believers who are called into a deep spiritual calling because believers are called into a deep spiritual calling look very different than the average believer. Their lives look different; they are different; they do not look like the church world. The church world is religious, and then within the church there is a church within the church of spiritual people who follow after the Spirit of God. They are the sons God because their life is controlled by the Spirit of God, not by a religious spirit or by a church law, and we look different than the people who are religious. So very frequently, if not always, the religious crowd will tell the spiritual crowd that they are not of God and will severely persecute the spiritual Christian. So Paul is saying your carnal mind cannot keep you from the marriage; carnally minded men cannot keep you from the marriage; neither can carnal Christians keep you from the marriage, with all their witchcraft prayers and all their bad counsel and all their gossip. None of these three can keep you from the love of God for you which is marriage to Christ Jesus and the salvation of your soul.
"For I am persuaded. I am confident that neither death, nor life, nor angels can separate us from the love of God."
Well, now why would angels want to separate us from the love of God? Angels, I remind you, are sent ones, and we know from Revelation 12 that there are evil angels. There are evil angels which are sent, and I have been teaching you here for a long time now that angels -- and again, you are free to disagree with me. Please, for your own sake, just pray about it, and leave it on the shelf if you cannot receive it. Angels are the spiritual man who is hiding behind the veil of this flesh. A good angel is Christ in you. He has the ability to vibrate out from your body and appear anywhere He wants to.
Now listen to me. When you have an imputed anointing, which is a Christ in you that is not growing up from seed. This imputed Christ can do that. He can vibrate out from your mind and appear to anybody He wants to without you knowing about it. When you have an imparted anointing, my opinion at this point is that it is highly unlikely that the Christ -- that an imparted Christ which is growing up from seed, which is growing out from the earth of your soul is likely to leave your body and appear to someone else without you knowing it. I cannot reteach the whole teaching, but based on everything that has been coming forth here for years, that is my opinion.
Now let me give you a testimony to back this up. I saw it on "The 700 Club." There was a preacher somewhere in the Middle East, devoted to God, but every sign indicated to me that he probably had an imputed anointing, which is fine. He was doing -- his way was faithful to God, faithful as he could be. And he was being severely opposed by several Arab factions that did not want his preaching in their area or in their country, and he had two or three different people report to him, Arabs, as they were driving down the street in their car and that this preacher materialized on the seat next to them and spoke to them. And whatever it was that came out of his mouth, I do not recall, brought conviction upon them and the fear of God upon them, and they ceased and desisted from their opposition to his work for Christ.
And when they came to him and told him about it, the man was amazed. He had absolutely no idea how this could have happened. He knew that it was God because the fruit of it was deliverance to him and for his ministry. So he knew that it was God, but he said, "How could I possibly have materialized on the seat in the car next to this man and not know about it?" [AUDIO CUTS OUT] -- because I will tell you, brethren, the Christ in that man was not having conferences with that man. He was just doing what He wanted to do. But when you have an imparted anointing -- you see, let me back up. With an imputed anointing, you are a servant. Your flesh is a servant. Christ just does whatever He wants. When you have an imparted anointing, you are a son, and the Father tells everything to His Son. He tells of His plans; He tells of His purposes, and I am of the opinion that Christ in you does not materialize next to another human being without you partaking of the glory through your conscious understanding and participation of it. That is the revelation I am walking in right now.
Just use the microphone. I would prefer it if you hold to la- --but you interrupted me already, so I will take it. What is it? Just put it on the message. Someone give her the message, please.
So his soul was not involved?
No, it was the spiritual man, Christ. His soul was not involved. His soul is his personality, correct.
And so when it is imparted, the soul would be involved?
That is my opinion. That is the revelation I am walking in, in this hour. Hallelujah.
So we see that angels cannot separate us from marriage to Christ. That means if someone is -- now, of course, I just described angels and Christ; there are also evil angels in the same context. There are evil angels who have an imputed anointing from Satan. What does that mean? They dabble in the occult. They are astral projecting. They do not know that Satan is using their soul for certain purp- -- [AUDIO CUTS OUT]
They might wake up and say, I had a very bad dream; some evil happened in this dream. Well, maybe their soul astral-projected without their agreement, without their understanding, without their knowledge, and then we have practicing witches who have full consciousness of the evil that they are doing; they have an imparted satanic anointing. Brethren, whoever is listening to this message and being distressed, do not -- your distress makes -- I do not want to tell you not to be distressed; I cannot legislate your emotions, but listen to me. Everything that exists in Christ exists in Satan, and everything that you hear about in Satan exists in Christ or at least the potential for it exists in Christ. The devil's crowd is [UNINTELLIGIBLE] -- much farther matured spiritually than God's forces are in this hour, but both sides of the coin engage in -- or at least have the potential to engage in the same activities, and if you do not believe that, you are being naïve.
So we have evil angels, Paul is saying. Evil angels cannot separate you or cannot stop Christ Jesus from marrying your soul. Well, what does that mean? It means the spiritual man from satanic believers cannot prevent however they would go about preventing it. To be honest with you, I do not know what they do. I do not know whether they might astral-project into you. I do know this, that when witches see that a believer is arising in Christ, they do try to stop this. They stop an indi- -- they try to stop an individual from ascending into power in Christ, so exactly what this spiritual messenger would do, I do not really know.
But have you ever -- I heard a testimony again on "The 700 Club" of an Indian woman. You see, the more spiritually developed you are, the more likely you are to have these experiences. She was from India, this woman. She had been deeply engaged in the occult when she became a Christian, and, actually, to tell you the truth, when I heard her testimony, I got very excited because I had had a similar experience. And not many American Christians have these deeply spiritual experiences. So her testimony was that she was sitting in her room, and a whole scene opened up. The walls separated, and a man came out from the wall, and there was fire, and it was a whole -- she was literally transported into another place. She entered into something that existed in the realm of the spirit but materialized to her.
And this man came out and tried to convince her to not go with Christ but to stay with Satan, and she had a big long testimony. I am sorry I cannot remember more of it, but it was very involved, and I had a similar experience when the Lord first called me. The spirit world can and does manifest physically to people who are deeply spiritually developed. So perhaps these evil angels, perhaps one of their functions would be to come as a messenger to try to convince you or to try to deceive you or to try to in some way influence you to do something that would cause you to lose this experience of marriage because the only thing that can stop us from going through is our own turning away from God, and sometimes I am finding out even we c- -- if we are really called, we cannot even turn away from God, if we are really called.
So whatever these evil angels do, I hope I have given you the idea of what an evil angel is. I really do not have any specific word for you as to what they would do other than to perhaps make you a deal or offer you a contract or threaten you or frighten you, but they are coming as messengers to try and turn you away from marriage to Christ, but Paul says they cannot succeed. And, you know, sometimes these evil angels, sometimes they are spiritual beings that materialize, and sometimes they are human beings who are completely given over to Satan, to come to cause you to be destroyed, to drag you down, to drag you back into that which God has delivered you from. Angels can be -- come in human form; they can come in spiritual form, or they can come in human form, either way. When they come with a message from a spiritual master, they are an angel to you. I am an angel to you tonight. Did not Paul -- did not John say in the Book of Revelation -- or did -- well it was Jesus speaking as Paul related it. I am speaking unto the angel of the church in such and such a town. An angel is a spiritual man. Right now I am an angel to you. As I deliver the word of Christ to you in this teaching, I am an angel to you, sent of God.
So Paul says death cannot separate us from marriage to Christ, "nor life, nor spiritual messengers, nor principalities." What is a principality? Principality -- hmm, what happened to my note on principality? Well, I have rulers next. Principality, I know I put it in here; it has to be here. OK. Excuse me. Nor principalities -- I must have taken the word from the interlinear. OK, this must be it over here. Principality, Strong's 746, and it means ruler, beginning or corner. Now I find the word beginning very interesting. Who was the beginning?
Christ is the beginning. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Christ is the beginning, and we also know that Christ is the corner. Is he not? He is the head of the corner. So I want to suggest to you that principalities which have a negative aspect to them, the word principality is not s- -- as I read the Bible, it is speaking about something from Satan. So if the principality is the beginning, if the principality is Christ, what is the name of this principality as it is a part of this fallen creation? Can anybody -- does anybody know? What is it that was of Christ which is now a part of this fallen corrupt creation?
Amen, amen, amen. Christ died, and He became of the human spirit, and that human spirit in this hour is married to whom? Who is she married to?
She is married to Satan, and she has born of the carnal mind, and she is joi- -- all three of them are joined. Eve, that spiritual substance of God, that female seed of God which has the potential to be Christ, when is she Christ? She is Christ when she is joined to the seed of the Father and bears the Son of God. That human spirit becomes Christ, but she is the female seed that has the potential to join with the Father and bear Christ, which is the giver of life, or she has the potential to join with Satan and bear the carnal mind, which is the giver of death. And in this hour, when Christ died, she fell down to a lower spiritual level where she joined with Satan and bore his illegitimate offspring, female offspring, the carnal mind.
So, the principality in fallen humanity is the human spirit. Is that not interesting? So the human spirit, in her adulterous condition of harlot, who was married to Satan, giving birth to the carnal mind, producing demons continuously, seducing us to sin because she is a harlot in our mind, even she cannot keep you from marrying Christ. Why not? Because it is the pla- -- does anybody know why not? Because it is in the plan of God that He shall burn that wicked city, and by fire, He shall -- what wicked city? The city of Babylon. And -- which is this whole spiritual creation whose foundation is our human spirit, Satan and the carnal mind. Christ is going to burn that whole city, and the carnal mind will dissolve. He is going to come crashing down, Peter said. The elements will come crashing down, and Satan will lose Eve; they will separate, and Eve will flee from her condition of captivity of a captive union to Satan, and she will join with Christ.
That is the plan of Christ for the human spirit who in this hour is seeking with all her strength because she is completely giving over to the wickedness of her husband, and she is in full agreement with Satan to keep this creation dead, but even her wickedness cannot keep you from marriage to Christ because the Holy Spirit is coming in and impregnating her with the Christ of God at the same time that she is bearing the carnal mind. She will have two children at one time from two different men. That is why she is a harlot, and the Christ child typified by Isaac shall rise up and destroy the carnal offspring, the carnal, illegitimate offspring of our harlotrous human spirit. So even she will not be able to keep us from marrying Christ. Why? Because the Lord is going to rescue her against her own will.
Brethren, we -- our human race, our fallen human race is so given over to Satan and the carnal mind that we are in full agreement with him that Christ should never appear in us. We are -- our minds have been utterly corrupted by Satan, but despite that, Christ is going to save us despite ourselves. He is going to separate our human spirit from Satan and the carnal mind without our help. We are fighting Him every step of the way, and HE is going to deliver us anyway despite her and her wickedness. You see, this is very interesting because anybody, any Christian can read this book and get very excited that Paul is saying, not life or death or angel or principality, nothing is going to keep you from the love of God. Well, that is good; that is encouraging. It is positive, but look at -- there is another whole layer of truth underneath it. Is that not exciting? The depth of what he is saying -- the depth of it is absolutely glorious.
OK, what else is he talking about here? Nor powers -- powers cannot separate us from marriage to Christ either. Power, Strong's -- oh, well, let me -- I have a comment here for you that i did not -- well, I will go with this. Powers, Strong's 1411, some of you may know that there are two Greek words that are translated power, dunamis and exousia. This is the word dunamis; it means inherent power, power that is residing within someone because of one's nature. Brethren, that is what is being imparted to us in this hour, the power of Christ that is arising out of our nature, but it is also true on the satanic side, OK. There is a carnally-minded man who has witchcraft power which arises out of his very nature. He does not have to think to be evil; it just arises in him. So that kind of wickedness that just arises against men's will, even you cannot keep our soul from marrying Christ. Why? Because the power which is in Christ is greater. The dunamis power of Christ is greater than the dunamis power of Satan's carnal mind. This mature Christ has it over the carnal mind a thousand times over.
So, Christ -- I just want to read you this note because I think I left something out here. Christ is the beginning, and Christ in the man is the human spirit. In fallen man, the human spirit is joined to Satan and the carnal mind. The Scripture calls her the harlot because of her adulterous union with Satan, through which we are continually forced to sin. Because our human spirit in the realm of the spirit is continuously committing adultery with Satan, we are overcome by sin. We all sin in our mind; everybody sins in their mind. It is the work of our adulterous human spirit. That is where it comes from.
So the Scripture calls her the harlot because of her adulterous union with Satan through which we are continuously forced to sin, and she is also called -- you may recall from our studies in the Book of Revelation, our human spirit is also called the false prophet, and that is a great mystery that she is the false prophet, but I -- as I explain on the messages where we studied this, she is the false prophet because the human spirit is always involved in the spiritual activity of man. She is involved in witchcraft -- you see, there is no spiritual activity without the human spirit. If the activity is witchcraft, it means she is operating in unison with Satan and the carnal mind, and that spiritual activity is witchcraft. When the human spirit is operating in unison with the Father, who -- which is the Lord Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus, she is involved in that spiritual activity too, so the human spirit is always involved in spiritual activity whether of God or not of God, and that is why she is the false prophet. If there is a false prophecy coming forth, the human spirit is involved. If there is a false word of knowledge coming forth, the human spirit is involved. She is always present in spiritual activity which is being manifested through men.
OK. Things present, neither will things present separate us from marriage to Christ. This is a translation of Strong's 1764, and in Thayer's Lexicon, there is another trans- -- way to translate this -- actually, things present -- well, things present appear in Thayer's. Another translation is to stand in sight or to stand near to someone, OK. Now the -- I consider this "things present" a very poor translation. It just -- you know, it just sounds right, you know, meaning present distresses, but that is drawing a conclusion. To think that things present mean present distresses is drawing a conclusion, OK. So let me give you a few scriptures by which I hope to convince you that to st- -- the one who is standing near is our spiritual mentor. Either it is Satan standing near to us or it is Christ standing near to us, OK, so let me give you a few scriptures here.
Psalms 109:6, "Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand." Let Satan be there. The right hand is the hand of blessing. Every time this man who is under this curse tries to do good or to accomplish things in his life, the curse says let Satan be there, opposing his spiritual strength to bring blessing into his life. That is a curse of God. Satan stands at his right hand.
Psalms 110:5, "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath," so the Lord standing at your right hand gives you power. Satan standing at your right hand wrecks everything you try to do, so to stand at someone's side is speaking about spiritual strength, either positive spiritual strength or negative spiritual strength. So I am suggesting to you that this phrase, things present, is speaking about the spiritual strength that is operating in your life. Well, if Paul is saying no spiritual strength will separate us from -- will prevent this marriage to Christ, he must be speaking about the spiritual strength of Satan, even Satan standing at your right hand hindering everything that you try to do, messing you up left and right. He shall not have the power to keep you from this marriage to Christ.
Let me give you a few more verses. Ezekiel 21:22, "At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem." Now at the right hand was witchcraft. Divination is witchcraft, and this is what the witchcraft was doing, "to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint or bat- -- to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort," so when Satan stands at your right hand, he is waging war against you.
Zechariah 3:1, "And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him." So standing near the fr- -- standing near is speaking about spiritual authority, either to prosper or to hinder. Let me give you two from the New Testament.
Romans 8:34, we had it right in this study. "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." So when Christ is standing near to us, He is strength to us.
And Ephesians 1:20, "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places," so I suggest to you that the one who stands near or as the King James translates the phrase, things present, in the context of Romans 8:38, is Satan who is opposing the birth of Christ as it is revealed in Revelation 12:4. And the dragon stood ready to devour the man-child as soon as He was born. So even Satan standing at your right hand, ready to devour Christ as He comes forth in you, even he cannot stop this marriage. He cannot stop this marriage. It is going to happen.
So, OK, we are up to things to come. Nor can things to come separate us from this marriage. Things to come, Strong's 3195, means to intend or to have in mind. No, the idea of intending signifies the conscious mind; it signifies a conscious decision. I therefore suggest to you that the phrase things to come signifies the witchcraft power of the carnal mind; evil thinking in the carnal mind, evil thinking; even evil thinking from yourself; evil thinking from your closest, intimate family members; evil thinking from the brethren of your fellowship; evil thinking no matter how heavy it comes, no matter how people it comes from cannot stop this marriage.
I want to tell you when God raised up this ministry, the evil thinking and speaking that came against us almost killed me. I was weak to start with. I was physically weak, and it almost killed me. God let me go right down to nothing, but He did not let me die, and He has been building me ever since, and now I have a resistance against this evil thinking. People hate you when you serve God; they hate you; hate kills. Jesus said, "If you hate your brother, you are a murderer." Well, no matter who hates you, no matter who thinks evil of you and no matter how many of them there are, the Lord Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus in you will raise up a standard. He will raise up believers all over the world to back you up, if necessary, and no evil thinking can keep you from this marriage. Hallelujah.
Alternate translation, Romans 8:38, Paul speaking, "Because I am confident that neither reprobate men, that is death, nor misguided Christians, that is life, nor evil angels" -- let me get you the exact word, "nor principalities, nor the seduction of the spiritual harlot within you, nor powers, nor the miracle-working power of the false prophet, nor things present, nor Satan's opposition to the appearance of Christ, nor things to come, nor the witchcraft power of the carnal mind."
"Because I am confident that neither reprobate men, nor misguided Christians, nor evil angels, nor the seduction of spiritual harlots, nor the miracle-working power of the false prophet, nor Satan's opposition to the appearance of Christ nor the witchcraft power of the carnal mind can keep you from this marriage."
And, of course, this is to those who are called, according to his purpose, back in verse 28. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." We know that every human being on the faith of -- face of the earth will not experience this marriage, but those who are called according to his purpose there is nothing that can keep you from this marriage. Now you may -- it may be necessary for you to be severely chastened. If you are reprobate in some areas, if you are weak in some areas and you cannot do what God is calling you to do, there will be a severe chastening, you will experience much pain, but nothing can keep you from this marriage, nothing. You will not die from the chastening. You will not die.
Verse 39, "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Height, Strong's 5313, it means an elevated structure, an elevated structure. Well, first of all, what is a structure? A structure is something tangible. I suggest to you it is not a spirit, OK. It is not a spirit, and I suggest to you it is a foundation, OK, or it can be a foundation, so -- and it is elevated; it is lifted high up. I want to suggest to you that we are speaking about the carnal mind. He has puffed himself up and lifted himself up, and he has erected himself. Satan has brought forth his carnal mind and lifted himself up and expanded himself and puffed himself up and made himself great. He has made himself the foundation of this fallen, reprobate, human -- bastard human race.
So I believe Paul is saying to us that the carnal mind will not be able to separate us, nor -- not the carnal mind or the reprobate reasoning of the carnal mind, nor depth, Strong's 899, and the word translated "depth" means extreme. Now, I remind you that Satan went beyond. He went beyond, and the extreme manifestation of his creation is the what? What is the farthest extreme manifesta- -- what is the farthest extreme edge of the satanic creation?
Right, this flesh, this physical flesh, that which we see in the realm of appearance, this physical flesh and/or the personality. And I want to suggest to you that Paul is saying here that the physical harm that can come from physical men, their spirit is not going to pick up a stick and hit you. A man will pick up [UNINTELLIGIBLE] -- a spirit is not going to shoot a gun, OK. The harm that could come from physical men, that is not going to stop you either. If they kill you, the Father will raise you from the dead. Brethren, if you are called for His purposes, there is nothing that can kill you. Now in this hour, Christ in us cannot survive without this physical body. Therefore, the Father is keeping this physical body alive. If necessary He will raise from the dead until such time as the Son of God, Christ in us, no longer needs this physical body.
"Nor any other creature," creature, Strong's 2937, this is the same Greek word translated creature and creation in Romans 8:21 and 8:22 respectively. In verse 21 it is translated creature, and in verse 22 it is translated creation. It is also the Greek word used by Jesus when He said, "I am the creation of God." So the other creature [UNINTELLIGIBLE] -- there is another word I want to give you here. I did not put it down. Other, Strong's 2087, and it means as opposed to some former person or thing. The other creature, I suggest to you then, is the old man, or we can say, the old creation. Sometimes you have heard me talk about the corporate carnal mind or the group carnal mind. There is a group mind in humanity, brethren. You have your individual mind that thinks what you think, but there is a corporate mind or group mind, that all of fallen humanity is flowing together like an ocean. And even though we may have individual variations, the corporate or the group mind of fallen humanity is pretty much moving in the same direction.
You know, my last secular job in Manhattan -- I worked in Manhattan for a few years, and I used to hear the thoughts of the people. Now I hear reprobate thoughts; it does not happen all the time, but one thought used to attack me every time I walked out. I walked from where the commuter bus let me off to my office, and at that time there were a lot of -- many -- there were many nationalities working in Manhattan. These were people going to work in the morning, and when I worked in Manhattan 20 years ago, it was not -- it was mostly Caucasian, European-based people. But if you go into Manhattan at the work hour today, there are large, large numbers of people with different colored skins, a lot of Africans, a lot of Asians, very much so, almost more than Caucasians.
And I would walk from the bus to the office, and these thoughts would invade my mind that they -- thoughts of prejudice, and I went before the Lord. I said, Father, I -- this is terrible, these thoughts that are going through my mind. Forgive me, I do not know where they are coming from, that they should go back to their own country, and who wants them here. I was mortified until the Lord told me that I was hearing the thoughts of the people, that there are many who were residents in America before we opened our doors to the third-world nations, and there is a great disapproval in the spirit from white middle-class America as to the legislation that was passed that allowed all these Asians and Africans into this nation. And as I walk down the street, I was hearing the group mind of our -- of the Caucasian elements of our nation because there is a big outcry.
I think it is a very rare white European-based Caucasian who is acceptable, has no complaints whatsoever about the changing appearance of our national distribution in this country. I think most middle-class Americans are upset about it because most middle-class Americans are prejudiced. Prejudice is rampant through this nation; there is severe prejudice through this nation. We are a racist society; I believe that. And I heard the group mind that was screaming in protest against these third-world nations, against us opening our doors to these -- to immigration from these third-world nations, so there is a group mind. There is a group mind that is separate from our individual mind. If you are spiritually sensitive, you can hear what the country is saying or at least the country at large, not everybody, but you hear the screams of the thoughts of this reprobate mind that is manifesting through many of the people because, brethren, we are just one man, and the name of that man is? What is the -- you know the name of the man? The name of the man?
Adam. The name of the man is Adam. He is just one man. We are all cells in his body.
Do you have the pause button on too? Please put the pause button on.
So the other creature, I suggest to you, is the old man, the living soul which is married to the carnal mind. That is the other creature, and then the other creature is the new man. There is two creatures, remember? We did this in verse 21 and 22, the other guy or the other guy. The Scripture talks about the other guy. One guy is Christ, and the other guy is the carnal mind. Well, here we have the same principle. One creature is the fallen creation, and the other guy or the other creature is the creation which is renewed in Christ. So this other creature is the fallen creation.
"Shall be able to separate us from the love of God," to be able, Strong's 1410. Once again, this is the word that means dunamis power. It is translated to be able. It sound- -- does not really give it the power that it has, but it is the same Greek word dunamis, and it is referring to inherent power residing within an individual because of one's nature. No one, Paul says, none of these things shall have the power which comes out of a state being of carnality to separate us from the love of God. There is not found in the fallen creation the power which is strong enough to separate us from Christ Jesus. He does not have it. It is not there. It is not available.
To separate, Strong's 5563, meaning to divorce, and the Scripture says the love of the God, the love of the [?guard?] -- the love of the God, which is -- oh, I made a mistake here. Where is my pen? "The love of the God, "OK, the word love is agape, and the God -- oh, I did not make a mistake. The God means the Lord Jesus Christ, so the love of the Lord Jesus Christ to us -- we had this a few verses back. The love or the expression of the love of the Lord Jesus Christ to us is that He has given us His Son, so the love of the God to us is Christ Jesus. None of these things can separate us from Christ Jesus, which is another way of saying the mind of Christ, which is being formed in us from seed.
And the last phrase is, "which is Christ Jesus, our Lord." The Greek word translated Lord, 2962, it means master or owner. Brethren, the Lord Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus His Son owns us. We do not have the power to tell Him no when He chooses us. We shall do whatever He tells us to do, and He shall do whatever necessary to make us obey. When He calls you, you cannot say no. It is a wrong teaching in the church. It is hurting the people. Stop pushing against the pricks. The Lord is bringing His church into obedience, and there is gnashing of teeth and wailing. People do not understand what is happening to them. God has been winking at them for 10 and 20 years. Brethren, it was not your time, but it is your time now, and you shall obey your Lord and master, the one who owns you. He wants to manifest through you. He wants to think through you. He wants to talk through you. He wants to do through you. You cannot tell Him no. He owns you. You have been taught incorrectly. You do not own Him. He does not owe you a Cadillac. He does not own -- owe you a vacation. I had someone say to me once, "I am a Christian. I am entitled to a house." He owes you nothing. And if you will not praise Him -- and the true meaning of the word praise is to submit to Him. If you will not submit to Him, He will raise up human beings who will submit to Him from these rocks. What does that mean? He will let you pass out into the draft. Either that or He will beat you into submission, depending on the call on your life.
Alternate Translation, Romans 8:39, "Nor the reprobate thoughts -- nor height, nor the reprobate thoughts of the carnal mind, nor depth, nor the threat of physical harm, nor any other creature, nor the group mind of fallen humanity shall possess miracle-working power strong enough to separate us from the mature Christ Jesus who owns us." Hallelujah.
Now I put Romans 37, 38 and 39, the Alternate Translations thereof together because it is really one sentence, and I will read it to you altogether to you now. Romans 37 through 39, "Therefore, we are able to defeat all these troubles as Christ Jesus is being formed in our spirit and joining with our soul because I am confident that neither reprobate men, nor misguided Christians, nor evil angels, nor the seduction of spiritual harlots, nor the miracle-working power of the false prophet, nor Satan's opposition to the appearance of Christ, nor the reprobate thoughts or the witchcraft power of the carnal mind, nor the threat of physical harm, nor the group mind of fallen humanity shall possess miracle-working power strong enough to separate us from the mature Christ Jesus who owns us." Hallelujah.
Let me give you one more comment on the group mind. The -- I think the major significance behind that group mind goes back to the Tower of Babel when man had one mind. All of humanity that existed in that hour had one language and one speech. They all thought alike, and they all spoke alike, and they were manifesting a powerful manifestation of witchcraft, that if they were permitted to continue, the Lord would have had to destroy them. And the Lord chose not to destroy them but to divide them and turn them one against the other until such time as He could redeem them, so this concept of the corporate group mind, the c- -- it is the concept of a return to Babel, of the group mind coming into agreement based on hatred, the power that is in many minds coming together, rooted in hatred. There is power in it, brethren; there is power in it, but even that cannot stop this marriage. Hallelujah.
How much time do we have on that message over there?
Why do you not put it on pause while you are looking?
OK, Alternate Translation -- oh, this is a recap of the whole of Romans 8. "Therefore, the wrath of God is no longer directed towards in whom Christ Jesus is ruling, who conduct their lives according to the internalized law of the spirit of Christ and not the spirit of Satan. Indeed, the controlling force in Christ Jesus, which produces life, has set me free from the controlling force, which causes me to do dishonorable misdeeds, which bring the misery and suffering of this existence upon me. And because God thrust --
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