Trinity

Subj: TRINITY:

THE PROBLEM: I've read some of the discussions on "Trinity" and quite frankly I'm not a Biblical scholar. I am not a scholar of Hebrew or Greek. In fact, I probably view things in a much more simplistic manner than many of you (not that I'm totally simple, grin). Therefore, I'll just add my simple 2 cents worth, with a few questions that I hope will be answered. My understanding of God and the Trinity became easily understood for me with the following:

If we liken an egg to the being of God we understand that the egg is composed of a shell, yoke and white. We understand that together they make the complete egg. We also understand that each one can be totally separated from the other, having a different name and function, but we know that we still hold a portion of the egg if we hold individually the shell, yoke and white. Each has a different role in the makeup of the egg. I believe the parallels to the Trinity are there. Just as we as human beings can be defined as soul, body and mind (love the lord with all thine heart, mind, soul, etc.). Those also can be considered as separate and yet united as one. I'm not suggesting that we be viewed the same as the Trinity. It's just a parallel. I also understood the

Father, Son and Holy Spirit as being God when I read:

John, Chapter 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God

3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.

4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

6 There was man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness of the Light, that all men through Him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.

11-14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.

QUESTIONS BEGIN HERE:

Here's my questions:

QUESTION: (1)(a) John 1:1-14, IS THE "WORD" REFERRING TO CHRIST?

PASTOR SHEILA: The Greek word "logos," translated "Word," means the thought [Jehovah's desire] and the manifestation of Jehovah's thought -- the man, Jesus, all wrapped up together as one man, Jesus, the Christ.

Please don't confuse Jehovah's perfect creative thought with mortal man's fallen thoughts.

 

QUESTION (1)(b): DOES THIS MEAN THAT JESUS IS GOD, ALTHOUGH SEPARATE?

PASTOR SHEILA: The man, Jesus, the Christ, who is God, was the perfect expression of the invisible God (Jn. 5:37) in a form that mortal men could relate to. That is why Jesus could say, before Abraham was, I AM (Jn. 8:58).

But Jesus was not, in the days of His flesh, and is not now, separate from the Father. Jesus clearly said, the Father and I are one God, who takes many forms.

Although it is not realistic to compare mortal men to God, we can do so for the purpose of understanding Him from a human perspective.

Any individual, for example, takes many forms. A man may be a husband, a father, a brother, a son, an employee and a volunteer fireman. He is all of these things, but the same man wearing different hats, so to speak.

But God, being greater than we can even imagine, does not change His hat, He changes his form. God is spirit in certain circumstances, and man, in others. But most confusing to us mortals, is His ability to appear in many forms and in many places at the same time.

Again, a very poor example, but to humbly make a point, we could say that an octopus that has many tentacles, each in a different place, is still one octopus, even if the smaller fish in the ocean think that each tentacle is an individual fish.

 

QUESTION (2): GENESIS 1:26 SAYS

And God said, Let Us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness....

WHO IS GOD REFERRING TO AS BEING "US" AND "OUR" IF NOT JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT? NOT THE ANGELS I THINK, ANOTHER GOD?? I'M CONFIDENT THERE'S ONLY ONE GOD SO I HAVE TO DISCOUNT THAT, SO WHO?

PASTOR SHEILA: Jehovah and Elohim, Jehovah's own right arm.

Jehovah thinks the creative thought, and Elohim does it.

Again, although it is impossible to compare ourselves to God, an example that we can relate to is to desire a glass of water. Our legs carry us to the sink and our hand takes a glass and fills it. Remember that the human man, Jesus, was born only 2,000 years ago. The Father who He is now one with always was. It was not the man, Jesus, who existed before time began, but the Father. This is the miracle of the virgin birth: That God became a man.

 

QUESTION (3)(a):

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

Are the Spirit of truth, the Comforter, and the Holy Ghost , one and the same?

PASTOR SHEILA: The Holy Ghost is the power of the Glorified Jesus Christ's resurrected life. The Spirit of Truth is the whole virile seed of the Glorified Jesus Christ, His power and HIS NATURE.

 

QUESTION (3)(b): IF THEY ARE, JESUS SAID HE WOULD SEND THEM FROM THE FATHER, BUT THAT THEY PROCEED OUT OF THE FATHER. IF WHAT I AM SAYING IS CORRECT THEN, DOES THAT MAKE THE HOLY GHOST AS BEING A PART OF GOD, BUT SEPARATE?

PASTOR SHEILA: This means that Jesus, the Christ, God in the flesh, has certain functions

[Luke 13:32 - I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.(KJV)],

and the Father has others. Again, from a human point of view, the hand does one thing, and the feet another. The Holy Ghost and the Spirit of Truth were sent into the earth from the Glorified Jesus Christ, who is the Father, not from Jesus of Nazareth, who was the Christ, God in the flesh, but they are the same God, different only in form and function. Jehovah has complete authority to take whatever form or function, whenever and however, He chooses to do so.

 

QUESTION (3)(c): DOES JESUS, IF HE IS NOT PART OF THE TRIUNE GOD...

PASTOR SHEILA: There is only one God who appeared to us as the man, Jesus, who was Christ, for the specific purpose of re-establishing a link with humanity, so that He could save us from hell and death.

 

QUESTION(3)(d): ...HAVE AUTHORITY TO TELL GOD THE FATHER WHAT TO DO?

PASTOR SHEILA: It's the other way around. Jesus speaks the Father's words:

John 12:49 - 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.(KJV)

 

QUESTION (4)(a): IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS SAID IN THE ABOVE VERSES, HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO:

Matthew 11:27? - All things are delivered unto me of my Father

PASTOR SHEILA: The Father has given Jesus the job of judging and reconciling the whole creation to the Father,

 

QUESTION (4)(b): AND TO

...and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father(Acts 3:21)

PASTOR SHEILA:

No mortal man can recognize the Son in human flesh. Only the Father who judges by the Spirit knows Him neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son (Acts 3:21)

Only Jesus Christ can recognize the Father in the flesh

And he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him (Acts 3:21).

The mortal men that Christ Jesus is being formed in can recognize the Father and the Son, because Christ Jesus, their elder brother, points Him out

These were excellent questions, xxxxx.

God bless you.

In Christ,

Sheila


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